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I thought ww ias was only based on weapon and not affected by other sources of ias? Did that change or I just have crap info? I am fine with building whichever one will do best against smiters, I have a bvc that can take out most casters np but smiters always just shift smite meaning I have to clip them and one screw up on the clip means I take too much dmg so I want a sin that can force them to move.


It changed in d2unmastered
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6x shadows were used in LOD for ghost for a short time when ghosts primarily used shadow dancers before people listened to me and opted for gore riders and swapped to 9x shadow disc before cube buffing became widely GM. Then 8x shadow + cube buff became optimal.

Ghost and hybrid have limited ED% and AR% modifiers compared to something like bvc who has 20 points into WW + fanaticism from beast + max weapon mastery. Making ghost and hybrid needing to scale skills to get more ed% and AR% so that you have enoguh multipliers to scale your damage and AR.

Bvc has high ed% and AR% and gets little value from + skills compared to ghost and hybrid, thus using 3/20/20 gives you more overall value. Not to mention ghost gets a lot of defensive capabilities from the + shadow skills where bvc only gets rather useless defense % and a small amount of all res comparatively.

The equations for scaling damage and AR are very different for sin then they are bvc


A dumbed down version of understanding the equations is this:
When you have high ED% and high AR %, you prioritize damage and integer AR

When you have low ED% and AR%, you prioritize more ED% and AR% over damage and integer AR

This remains largely true across classes. There are some nuances, but this provides you overall direction.


This makes perfect sense man thank you.
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Dec 27 2024 09:10am
This makes perfect sense man thank you.


As an added bonus for sin, you get ton of value from all the shadow disc skills that are used.

Remember you use:
Venom
Mind blast
Claw mastery
Fade
Weapon block
Shadow master
Cloak of shadows < to a lessor degree but more is more

So while you are scaling ED% and AR% through shadow disc GCS, you are also scaling other offensive and defensive skills. There really is no reason to ever use + damage GCs/SCs over a shadow disc skiller. You just get so much from them.
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Dec 27 2024 10:50am
As an added bonus for sin, you get ton of value from all the shadow disc skills that are used.

Remember you use:
Venom
Mind blast
Claw mastery
Fade
Weapon block
Shadow master
Cloak of shadows < to a lessor degree but more is more

So while you are scaling ED% and AR% through shadow disc GCS, you are also scaling other offensive and defensive skills. There really is no reason to ever use + damage GCs/SCs over a shadow disc skiller. You just get so much from them.


Yea initially I didn't fully consider the benefit of the gcs to the skill tree and was more focused on the dmg/ar, but if shadows are better then that works out anyway as they are cheaper than max/ar/lifers. In your opinion, between ghost/hybrid which one do you think would do better vs smiters?
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Yea initially I didn't fully consider the benefit of the gcs to the skill tree and was more focused on the dmg/ar, but if shadows are better then that works out anyway as they are cheaper than max/ar/lifers. In your opinion, between ghost/hybrid which one do you think would do better vs smiters?


Hyb

Ghost is just a bad bvc now primarily in vs all

But neither are particularly good vs smiter anymore since smiter will virtually never get stunned by traps and smiter does more damage than it did in lod due to changes in Phoenix
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Hyb

Ghost is just a bad bvc now primarily in vs all

But neither are particularly good vs smiter anymore since smiter will virtually never get stunned by traps and smiter does more damage than it did in lod due to changes in Phoenix


Ah ok, I'll probably lean towards hybrid in that case. Smiter was already op and now even more so lol, blizz is unreal. I appreciate your time!
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