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We saw what happened firsthand on social media the day it occurred—Hamas themselves published the footage using the phones of our murdered friends. Israel is a small country, and most of us know someone who was killed and how it happened. A group of our friends had the foresight to gather all the evidence of the atrocities committed by Hamas, ensuring it can be used as proof. I won’t describe the details here, but there’s a reason we are in an all-out war, and we have no intention of giving up.


So you saying you all 1 big family ... And your government never makes your enemy look more evil with propaganda? Straight up tool you sound like.. What program to get so toolish have you been through? More then a normal bootcamp.. :lol: dam son...
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Dec 26 2024 03:31am
He is trying to provoke you strongly recommend you do not address him directly. cheers and seasons greetings.
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He is trying to provoke you ^doomchaser strongly recommend you do not address him directly. cheers and seasons greetings.


I really not worried about "many names" he will just follow what every they tell him. All he does is scream terrorist at every women child on the wrong side of the border .. if Paul wants to take anything i say against a person that is justifying a Genocide and says it a personal attack ... He more then welcome to ban me for it if he wishes to do so..I really feel like i am not attacking him, but the obvious Brainwashing he has had throughout his short life.. I pity him if anything..
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Dec 26 2024 04:17am
So you saying you all 1 big family ... And your government never makes your enemy look more evil with propaganda? Straight up tool you sound like.. What program to get so toolish have you been through? More then a normal bootcamp.. :lol: dam son...


What I’m saying is that they lied about the numbers and distorted the facts, falsely portraying those killed as civilians.
While you attribute the loss of 1,200 lives to the Hannibal Directive according to their propaganda.
Which means you ignores the horrific violence they inflicted on innocent people mutilated their bodies for sport.

We entered this war because they launched a deliberate attack on us, and now they are facing the consequences of their actions.

This wont end until they completely surrender which means laying down their arms and release the hostages
It will take time but they eventually will understand it
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Dec 26 2024 04:19am
He is trying to provoke you ^doomchaser strongly recommend you do not address him directly. cheers and seasons greetings.


I am not trying to provoke him, you came and started justifying this BS after half of my friends were murdered in the most horrific way possible.

You want to ignore me that is fine, dont incite others against me
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^whitesounded

Thanks, all of the above is reasonable.

any view on the assertion in the below, specifically re: breeding ground for the next generation of terrorists ? As previously stated, this mirrors my view (that the actions today are laying the foundation for future conflict).
(note that the title is rubbish, im specifically looking at the assertion that these kids will grow up with a grudge). While Israel has yet to clearly state its intent for Gaza, based on what it is doing in the West Bank, I dont see any Israeli policy that would be capable of mitigating the future problems (which I believe, it is creating, in my opinion).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hp_zxfUaWis

its a bit lame, and may it comes across as disingenuous, however to be clear, merry christmas and good will to you and all people.


Personally, I think it’s BS. They are hostile and they will remain hostile if I bomb them or not.
You might be unaware of it but you only need to take a look at PA textbooks at schools. You’ll be horrified. You can find mathematic problems such as -
There are 6 Zionists. The Mojahedin kills 2, how many remain ?
I mean.. I have little kids myself.. and people are saying that Israel is dehumanising Palestinians..
And of course you can point out the Israeli extremists but then I’ll ask you - show me the Palestinian moderates. Show me the Palestinian moderate school system that teaches peace with the Zionists and that the Zionists are people. Show me..
I think that after the first and second Intifadas the Israeli public understands what it means to live in a hostile environment.

As The video itself, the man is a lawyer. I don’t expect much. He follows the rules of men the best way he can. However, judges are not Gods.. for example see trumps regime or the rise of right wing parties that wants to make some adjustments at the Supreme Court. So, do all judges being appointed afterwards will be “bad”? If their view doesn’t corresponds to the liberal approach?
There is the court system , and there is the reality. And in reality sometimes you need to lock the damn door because someone wants to do something illegal.. the point is, you can’t run the world by a bunch of judges in the ICJ.

The statistic about kids and all.. it’s nice to say that and of course it’s terrible but you can’t really take it seriously when we know for a fact -
1. Hamas lies about the amount of children and their ages, as in 30 years old are suddenly registered as children.
2. 14 years old are actively participating in fighting. We see it in Gaza, we saw it in Lebanon 1 and 2 , the Americans saw it in Afghanistan and Iraq.. it’s pretty common.
And excuse me but if I’m a soldier being shot at the last thing I’ll do is to ask for an ID. And even if the kid is being used by adults, what exactly do you expect from the military to do ?

What bothers me the most is the way this whole conversation about Israeli-Palestine conflict often involves straw man arguments.
I mean, it’s really OK to say that the West Bank is occupied without saying that there is an “apartheid”
And it’s OK to say that what happens in Gaza is terrible without calling it ethnic cleansing or genocide.
Going into extreme definitions that do not fit just weakens the whole argument and causes the debate to lose its purpose.

This post was edited by WhiteSouned on Dec 26 2024 08:37am
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Personally, I think it’s BS. They are hostile and they will remain hostile if I bomb them or not.
You might be unaware of it but you only need to take a look at PA textbooks at schools. You’ll be horrified. You can find mathematic problems such as -
There are 6 Zionists. The Mojahedin kills 2, how many remain ?
I mean.. I have little kids myself.. and people are saying that Israel is dehumanising Palestinians..
And of course you can point out the Israeli extremists but then I’ll ask you - show me the Palestinian moderates. Show me the Palestinian moderate school system that teaches peace with the Zionists and that the Zionists are people. Show me..
I think that after the first and second Intifadas the Israeli public understands what it means to live in a hostile environment.

As The video itself, the man is a lawyer. I don’t expect much. He follows the rules of men the best way he can. However, judges are not Gods.. for example see trumps regime or the rise of right wing parties that wants to make some adjustments at the Supreme Court. So, do all judges being appointed afterwards will be “bad”? If their view doesn’t corresponds to the liberal approach?
There is the court system , and there is the reality. And in reality sometimes you need to lock the damn door because someone wants to do something illegal.. the point is, you can’t run the world by a bunch of judges in the ICJ.

The statistic about kids and all.. it’s nice to say that and of course it’s terrible but you can’t really take it seriously when we know for a fact -
1. Hamas lies about the amount of children and their ages, as in 30 years old are suddenly registered as children.
2. 14 years old are actively participating in fighting. We see it in Gaza, we saw it in Lebanon 1 and 2 , the Americans saw it in Afghanistan and Iraq.. it’s pretty common.
And excuse me but if I’m a soldier being shot at the last thing I’ll do is to ask for an ID. And even if the kid is being used by adults, what exactly do you expect from the military to do ?

What bothers me the most is the way this whole conversation about Israeli-Palestine conflict often involves straw man arguments.
I mean, it’s really OK to say that the West Bank is occupied without saying that there is an “apartheid”
And it’s OK to say that what happens in Gaza is terrible without calling it ethnic cleansing or genocide.
Going into extreme definitions that do not fit just weakens the whole argument and causes the debate to lose its purpose.


I cant and wont refute any of that. Once an education system is so compromised, and is reinforced by violence, it creates a fundamental problem which cannot be resolved in a single generation/decade. depressing.
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Dec 26 2024 09:16am
Personally, I think it’s BS. They are hostile and they will remain hostile if I bomb them or not.
You might be unaware of it but you only need to take a look at PA textbooks at schools. You’ll be horrified. You can find mathematic problems such as -
There are 6 Zionists. The Mojahedin kills 2, how many remain ?
I mean.. I have little kids myself.. and people are saying that Israel is dehumanising Palestinians..
And of course you can point out the Israeli extremists but then I’ll ask you - show me the Palestinian moderates. Show me the Palestinian moderate school system that teaches peace with the Zionists and that the Zionists are people. Show me..
I think that after the first and second Intifadas the Israeli public understands what it means to live in a hostile environment.

As The video itself, the man is a lawyer. I don’t expect much. He follows the rules of men the best way he can. However, judges are not Gods.. for example see trumps regime or the rise of right wing parties that wants to make some adjustments at the Supreme Court. So, do all judges being appointed afterwards will be “bad”? If their view doesn’t corresponds to the liberal approach?
There is the court system , and there is the reality. And in reality sometimes you need to lock the damn door because someone wants to do something illegal.. the point is, you can’t run the world by a bunch of judges in the ICJ.

The statistic about kids and all.. it’s nice to say that and of course it’s terrible but you can’t really take it seriously when we know for a fact -
1. Hamas lies about the amount of children and their ages, as in 30 years old are suddenly registered as children.
2. 14 years old are actively participating in fighting. We see it in Gaza, we saw it in Lebanon 1 and 2 , the Americans saw it in Afghanistan and Iraq.. it’s pretty common.
And excuse me but if I’m a soldier being shot at the last thing I’ll do is to ask for an ID. And even if the kid is being used by adults, what exactly do you expect from the military to do ?

What bothers me the most is the way this whole conversation about Israeli-Palestine conflict often involves straw man arguments.
I mean, it’s really OK to say that the West Bank is occupied without saying that there is an “apartheid”
And it’s OK to say that what happens in Gaza is terrible without calling it ethnic cleansing or genocide.
Going into extreme definitions that do not fit just weakens the whole argument and causes the debate to lose its purpose.



When I was first drafted into the army, my late grandfather gave me some advice I’ll never forget. He said, “Don’t try to be a hero. Don’t sacrifice yourself for anyone.”

I asked him what he meant, and he explained, “You were raised in a kind and loving environment, shielded from the violence and cruelty this world holds. You will encounter people who provoke you, and others who may try to kill you. If you ever find yourself in danger, your first priority must be to eliminate that danger. If it turns out to have been a mistake, we’ll face the consequences together.”

This means he understood that the advice he gave me might lead to difficulties with the Israeli judicial system, but it could also save my life.

This mindset doesn’t exist on the other side; there, no one will condemn you for harming civilians. On the contrary, such actions are often celebrated.
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Dec 26 2024 09:31am
When I was first drafted into the army, my late grandfather gave me some advice I’ll never forget. He said, “Don’t try to be a hero. Don’t sacrifice yourself for anyone.”

I asked him what he meant, and he explained, “You were raised in a kind and loving environment, shielded from the violence and cruelty this world holds. You will encounter people who provoke you, and others who may try to kill you. If you ever find yourself in danger, your first priority must be to eliminate that danger. If it turns out to have been a mistake, we’ll face the consequences together.”

This means he understood that the advice he gave me might lead to difficulties with the Israeli judicial system, but it could also save my life.

This mindset doesn’t exist on the other side; there, no one will condemn you for harming civilians. On the contrary, such actions are often celebrated.


It’s sad that the world simply ignores the fact the Israeli soldiers are terrified by the Israeli justice system.
I remember my time in Hebron running after stone throwers or Molotovs..
depressing.
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Dec 28 2024 05:32am
It’s sad that the world simply ignores the fact the Israeli soldiers are terrified by the Israeli justice system.
I remember my time in Hebron running after stone throwers or Molotovs..
depressing.


If he was able to post like that for the last 14 months he certainly would have garnered more empathy. I'll just refrain from posting, for a few days.
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