Or..
it confirms the biased coverage made by them.
I believe the term is mind-shaping media ? from where I stand and following the reports, it is clear that if you are an Al Jazeera reporter in Gaza or West Bank you are anything but free press.. the people in power (Hamas in Gaza for example) in addition to the news channel’s already known bias provides a solid ground for the reports to be biased, unbalanced and even untrue in some cases.
In addition, some reporters (if not many) already been proven to be part of armed organizations.
That’s how the system works.
You are of course entitled to your own opinion but again, from where i stand the Palestinian authority act just approves Israel’s claims specially when the Palestinian authorities themselves condemned Israel’s actions towards Al Jazeera earlier this year.
And how so it makes their reports be considered As unbiased ? Your claim simply states that it’s Because they were banned.

As an Israeli I’m constantly making sure to recheck my stands and values. I’m always conflicting with them and change them if necessary. This debate forum is an example of various opinions being presented which I need to recheck my stands on.
You can’t really say the same thing for people getting their news from Al Jazeera, thinking it’s the absolute truth and all the rest are rubbish.

This post was edited by WhiteSouned on Dec 24 2024 05:26am

To be honest I really like debating with you, and I thank you for replying. I agree with you that listening to one source is not optimal. If I want to know what is happening in my country, I would listen to my state media, english state media, and also international state media. what is deemed newsworthy differs between sources, and each will have their own position on a story. The Ukraine war (and what is happening in Israel) is fascinating as there are so many invested countries, each with their own group position on an event (which is often radically different from another group).

Relating to your direct response - I said a couple of things which make for good debate, as it is counter intuitive to suggest that banning something would make it stronger, however your first comment was to say (relating to both Israeli and PA Authority banning media) that "it confirms the biased coverage made by them (Al Jazeera)". From a logical standpoint, no, when both sides ban media, it does not support media is bias, but rather that something is wrong. This is typically done in war time when a government wants to take action and stamp out criticism. I accept you do not agree with this position, this is fine.

You say that a reporter in Gaza or the West Bank is anything but free press and that media is used as a weapon by nations (the 2nd part of this statement i don't disagree with), however this argument is not sound, as by your own words this relates to "some reporters" not all reporters (in every country). I am sure that there are "some reporters (if not many) in Israel that support the Israeli government actions (which are well documented), but that does not make all israeli reporters "anything but free press"). The Haaretz Editorial Board have been vocal in their condemnation of the governments policy of ethnic cleansing. This demonstrates that there is still a faction, in Israel, that has the ability to publish news/information/facts of this nature. The fact that Haaretz, like Al Jazeera, is calling out Israeli actions in the West Bank, validates both organizations, just like how both Israel and the PA banning Al Jazeera validates its reporting.

Al Jazeera caters to an international audience. Haaretz caters to an Israeli audience. I have not seen gigantic discrepancies between the two. Haaretz has more access, but both fundamentally have the same issue - dealing with a shit situation. If both were not able to report, the situation would still be shit, its just that less people would know about it.

I see your point however I did state that there are solid accusations about Al Jazeera activity. As always, the truth is somewhere in the middle.
We’ll agree to disagree.



This is a great example of a true strong democracy that is able to sustain newspapers like Haaretz which is very much anti-Netanyah and anti-war. To your claim - non of Haaretz reporters (as much as I know) is involve in terrorism.
Again, criticism is fine and all but when you are falsely report and falsely promote your own narrative it’s a problem.
Democracies have to be able to defend themselves against such.



I’ll try to frame my point of view better. -
An international big news channel is using its resources and audience to promote its own agenda and false narratives while using reporters which are proven to be part of armed organisations. I don’t see how it’s legit.
Let it be clear - Al Jazeera is not the only international news channel broadcasting from Israel. But they are the only ones to get banned. Both from Israel and now from the West Bank.
It’s not like other establishments lack the criticism..

I’m sorry I just don’t buy this “they got kicked coz telling the cold hard truth” thing.



Likewise.
Thanks for presenting the other side and providing a mirror, I think it’s important.

Thanks, all of the above is reasonable.

any view on the assertion in the below, specifically re: breeding ground for the next generation of terrorists ? As previously stated, this mirrors my view (that the actions today are laying the foundation for future conflict).
(note that the title is rubbish, im specifically looking at the assertion that these kids will grow up with a grudge). While Israel has yet to clearly state its intent for Gaza, based on what it is doing in the West Bank, I dont see any Israeli policy that would be capable of mitigating the future problems (which I believe, it is creating, in my opinion).



its a bit lame, and may it comes across as disingenuous, however to be clear, merry christmas and good will to you and all people.

This post was edited by ferdia on Dec 25 2024 04:13am

Indoctrination has been the foundation of terrorism in Palestinian society, and it has come back to haunt them in the West Bank.

When you financially reward individuals in prison for committing acts of terrorism, such as bombing a bus or stabbing innocent people, you are promoting terrorism. This is especially true when the payments exceed double or even triple the minimum wage in the West Bank.

They chose their way of life and they will keep hmm hmm, you will keep paying for it

As you see above Israelis are Indoctrinated to believe a occupation of Palestine is normal..And if people act against it or fight them in anyway possible they are a born terrorist... Israeli prisons are full of people with a 30 sec trial or no charges even just imprisoned .. Wolverines Red dawn movie you would call them heroes ...in reality like Israel they are called terrorist ..I guess terrorist and heroes are determined by who they fighting? if you fighting communisms you a hero ..If they fight a Capitalist state you a terrorist ..

From memory, when this topic started it was accepted that there existed such a place called the "Occupied Territory", i.e. the West Bank. That is to say, the West Bank is not a part of Israel, it is an occupied territory, occupied by Israel. Anywhere else in the world would infer that at some point in the future it will be un-occupied, and potentially become part of a "Palestine". However, anyone with a bit of common sense and ability to assess the facts will accept that the West Bank is slowly but surely being annexed (i.e. stolen) by Israel. After sometime I believe there will be no "West Bank" or "Occupied Territory" only a single "Israel". The official Israeli Government narrative became more vocal after Oct 7th and this nuance "Occupied Territory" was set aside. I believe that it is inevitable that Israeli sentiment will eventually toe the official government line "there is no occupied territory".

I have that user blocked so unfortunately I dont get to see... let me choose my words now, Inclusive and respectful communication, Constructive and supportive dialogue or his Upholding dignity and empathy for all individuals. (Palestinians are Human).

How can you occupy something that never existed? It’s you who have been conditioned to believe such absurdities. True terrorists are those who storm into homes at dawn, committing atrocities like rape and murder against entire families. Freedom fighters, on the other hand, stand against armed soldiers, not defenseless grandmothers in their homes. The narrative has been so distorted that it’s made you believe the opposite.

https://henryjacksonsociety.org/publications/questionable-counting/

This post was edited by Many_Names on Dec 26 2024 12:05am

I thought oct 7 was against armed resistance/ military compounds / and most the Grandma's killed was from the Hannibal directive ...What you hear is mostly propaganda about 50 babies beheaded when only 1 died from crossfire that day... The lies are easy to disprove they are so far over the top it crazy ... So when you see your own governments propaganda that is so obvious ...You don't question every piece of news story told to the public?

This post was edited by doomchaser on Dec 26 2024 01:03am

We saw what happened firsthand on social media the day it occurred—Hamas themselves published the footage using the phones of our murdered friends. Israel is a small country, and most of us know someone who was killed and how it happened. A group of our friends had the foresight to gather all the evidence of the atrocities committed by Hamas, ensuring it can be used as proof. I won’t describe the details here, but there’s a reason we are in an all-out war, and we have no intention of giving up.