60% of even 1 school district's first through fifth graders identifying as trans says coercion. And that was the decision in the Joe Camel suit. Now I don't recall if you remember those commercials or not. But you had these camel guys dressed in cool shit playing poker enjoying camel cigarettes. Kids LOVED those commercials. Hell, those commercials probably started more kids smoking than any other single thing ever done. Which is why the lost a lawsuit long BEFORE the major suits, and had to have their commercials pulled. Harmful thing, especially to children, cannot be targeted at children. Like Transitioning advertisements, movies and shows glorifying transitioning. Seems similar, no?

Similar, sure. but far easier to quantify cancer rates. also smoking at all even without cancer is inherently unhealthy due to inhaling tar. and there's a direct causation.

for trans people its harder to make the case as clearly. you're taking in most cases an already mentally unhealthy person, then you'd need to prove what was done worsened their state. i know i have my opinion but legally its far harder to prove. i dont think even an increase in suicide rates would be legal proof, because its possible the people willing to undergo the most harsh treatment are the most prone to suicide. at least that's what id argue in court if i had to fight for the pro-trans rights side.

America accounts for 25% of the world’s gdp and pays for over 50% of the world’s medical research, so no, there was no dishonesty on my part. Implying otherwise without providing contrary information was dishonesty at worst on your part or just more ignorance, at best.

Capitalism works by taking advantage of the realities of human behavior, including greed, and manipulates them in order to provide value to society. All evidence shows that this method is the best method currently available for the advancement of medical research. Again, no one else is close.

Socialized healthcare is actually inherently more greedy. You get free healthcare for your country and provide very little to medical research, which would help everyone around the world, especially those in developing nations.

I agree that America could switch to a social healthcare system and the average American would approve. Unfortunately, medical advancement for the world would slow down to a crawl. The American healthcare system is a burden on Americans and a boon for everybody else. It’s a sacrifice for the overall good of mankind, you and everybody you know profit from it. Your children will profit from it and every future generation of humans, exponentially.

You should be grateful.

This post was edited by Shadowoffury on Dec 20 2024 02:25pm

Your "five times more spending" suddenly is only "twice as much" if normalized correctly. Since you clearky know the numbers we can all agree that you misrepresented them willfully to better fit your agenda.

Americans could still use taxpayer money for medical R&D if they so choose without paying a huge margin to a bloated greedy for profit capitalist healthcare hellscape. Actually they could pay the same for healthcare, get better treatment and still fund more R&D than now by just cutting out the middlemen who all have to profit.

Capitalism does not inherently provide value for society, why would it? Its goal is to maximize profits, nothing else. It is a system that historically works well for products where "not buying" is a legitimate choice and needs to be constrained by narrow rules for everything else.

Lol your first paragraph would only be true if America’s gdp was 2.5x as big as the gdp of the entire EU, which it is not. You’re mixing up two different things that I wrote, which are both true. Again, you seem to be the one who is being dishonest. Or you just have a very weak grasp of math.

Your country could use taxpayer money to contribute to medical research equivalently, but it doesn’t. A lot of countries have socialized healthcare. Again, not a single one contributes to research at a rate at all comparable to America, correcting for gdp or by any other metric.

This post was edited by Shadowoffury on Dec 20 2024 03:29pm

I will never ever believe any manifesto that comes out. The FBI can change them as needed and none of us will never know the truth. I will not fall prey to modern day Pravda in the US.

"My point is, as I’ve already clearly stated, that with a significantly smaller population than the EU, America spends over 5 times more than the EU on medical research"

"America accounts for 25% of the world’s gdp and pays for over 50% of the world’s medical research"

Those are both direct quotes by you mate. The first has no relevant information (because it lacks relative spending power/gdp) but a higher multiplier, the second one after being called out for that suddenly paints a very different picture doesn't it.

If you want to make a point that countries should pay more for medical R&D because treating illnesses and saving lifes is inherently good - yes, I agree. The system the US currently has very clearly doesn't do that efficiently, most of the money spent makes some people in the middle rich at the cost of the citizens.

Pretty easy to believe the Nashville Trannyfesto. The way the feds tried to squash it and target local law enforcement for the "leak" says it's legit by itself.

I know what I wrote and, again, both of those things are true. One is a direct comparison of spending between America and the EU, the other is American spending proportional to the spending of the entire world.

Here’s what you wrote.



This is not true. You tried to combine two true statements I made in order to invent a lie to support your own argument.

The American healthcare system is undeniably the system that solves the largest number of illnesses in the shortest period of time.

If you have evidence to the contrary then provide it because everything you’ve said so far has just been irrational attempts to rationalize your pre-conceived notions.

Doctors who tell parents that unless they surgically or hormonally "transition" their child, their child will kill themselves and blood will be on their hands.

That's coercion. That's 100% coercion. Anyone who argues against this is engaging in petty contrarianism at best, and treacherous sophistry at worst.