It's not unfair criticism. I already showed, with evidence, that these anti-White racist hate articles are nearly *all* written by Jewish people. That's a factual observation. It is also readily observed that these "writers" tend to be Eastern European Jewish people, which again is solid evidence of a Judeo-Bolshevist ideology & praxis. This stuff is all *painfully* obvious. It is *not* unfairly blaming Jews, it is *fairly* blaming Jews. It's not even blaming all the Jews, it's blaming the Jewish people who seem to have made it their life's goal to eradicate Christians and white people.

The young generation sees this. It's painfully obvious.

This is my attempt at engaging in debate. If anything I say comes across as negative, please know that it is not intentional or personal. I aim to discuss these points thoughtfully and respectfully.

Expanding on the notion of Palestinians moving past the idea of a Palestinian state:

The history of Palestinian displacement dates back to 1948 with the creation of the State of Israel. While the displacement of Arabs has been ongoing for more than half a century, for many Palestinians, the loss of their homes remains a present and painful reality. For instance, the last 14 months in Gaza have been devastating, and in the West Bank, the past few years have seen particularly harsh conditions. The notion of "getting over" a historic grievance becomes difficult to consider when such grievances are not confined to history—they persist today and are likely to continue as part of ongoing Israeli government policies in these territories.

Around the world, we see groups in similar circumstances—Native Americans, Aboriginal Australians, Kurds, Hawaiians, and others—facing the consequences of historic displacement. While the UN has sought to support these groups with varying degrees of success, the challenge remains significant. In this context, the idea of Israel telling Palestinians to "get over it" feels particularly delicate. Historically, the Jewish people themselves experienced centuries of dispossession and longing for self-determination, ultimately receiving support from the UN for the creation of Israel. It is perplexing, then, to see Israel dismiss or even criticize the UN’s role in addressing the grievances of others.

From an ethical standpoint, Israel’s position appears deeply conflicted. Given the immense suffering endured by the Jewish people during the Holocaust and the global commitment to "never again," the dire humanitarian conditions in Gaza today are both heartbreaking and astonishing. Reconciling these realities—Israel’s rich intellectual and cultural heritage with the harrowing scenes broadcast worldwide—poses a profound challenge for many observers. It raises difficult questions about how these events align with the principles of justice and humanity that the Jewish people themselves have long championed.

relating to examples where countries "got over it" -

Japan - Japan was occupied by the United States, but the US left (well they still have bases there and Japan would really appreciate it if the US left completely).
Mexico - another country the US invaded - the Unites States stole 1/2 of Mexico "by right of conquest/might". Ultimately Mexico is still a functioning country.

As for Gaza and the WestBank Israel has flattened the former and is colonizing the latter. neither is functioning or has sovereignty which is distinct from Japan and Mexico.

As mentioned before - Northern Ireland has a lot of similarities with Israel re: colonization etc. The difference is that when england colonized northern ireland they basically said "we will take this, and this only", and over time the two communities have found a pathway to peaceful co-existence. Israel continues to take daily, which is why it does not move forward, its like a broken record, it keeps repeating the event.

This post was edited by ferdia on Dec 19 2024 02:55pm

This criticism is unfair and comes across as racist. Moreover, there’s a significant difference between writing about something and taking action on it. If the left in your country—who are not entirely made up of elected Judeo-Bolshevists—takes action on these issues, they are the ones you should hold accountable.

Blaming Jews after selecting a few specific articles does not make them some sort of cult trying to undermine your country, but it does make you a racist.

Arabs are originally native to the Arabian Peninsula, not Judea. Therefore, comparing their connection to Judea with that of groups like the Irish, Kurds, or Aboriginals, who are indigenous to their respective regions, is not accurate.

Well, difficult or not, it needs to happen.



This clause just confirms my point that if the Palestinians want a state, they should compromise and make one. The Jews did. My wife’s family came from Egypt. They lived the good life with a big house and enough money. They came coz situation became unbearable Like it always has been for Jews. So they came here to live in a tent for few years. That’s the whole idea of Israel to begin with. So they compromised and took what they could. It’s enough to compare the UN’s partition plan to the malaria map back then -all the areas given to the Jews were infested with malaria. Pretty remarkable.. they compromised.
As to the claim about Israel’s attitude towards the UN -
The UN started off addressing the conflict in a good way with good intentions. They have lost the way. They formed UNWRA which became a tool by the Palestinians to spread hate and flawed education. Their greatest achievement was to add the first two letters “UN” to that. Meaning what UNWRA says is the law and the law is UNWRA. Today more than ever we know that terrorists are part of that organization. That he was highjacked by Hamas to do its will.
I can go on farther that it’s not even logical to create such a special organisation only for the Palestinians and not to dismantle it after failing to achieve the purpose of its existence ? That’s a different story.
So yeah, Israeli grievance towards biased nowadays UN is more than understandable.


An armed Hamas raising terror towards Israel harvesting the entire public to its cause it’s not merely the same as the holocaust and any comparison is simply wrong.
I do agree that the sights are horrible. Such is war.



Again, you are confirming my point.
Israel will very much like to leave and let them Palestinians manage their own business. I have absolutely zero problem with that as long as they ensure my safety.
I know you Irish identify yourselves with the Palestinians. It’s not the same. Not at all.
I told you before and please do not get offended but you are confirmation biased.

Country A invades/moves to Country B without Country B's consent. England invaded Ireland, while accepting the formation of Israel is a bit more nuanced, broadly the land was not empty and the ppl living there would consider it an invasion.
Country A colonized Country B - England colonized Northern Ireland over generations. The newly formed state of Israel continues to colonize Israel notwithstanding there is an indigenous population already living there.
Country B creates an armed terrorist resistance against Country A. various terrorist organizations grew in northern ireland, with the IRA being the most prominent. In Israel, Hamas came to the fore.
This armed terrorist conflict occurs over decades. ditto both instances.
The minority was ever deemed a lesser species with less rights and an argument for apartheid can be had in both instances. ditto for both instances.

in the grand scheme of things this happened in Northern Ireland and the land now known as Israel.

another way of framing it:

In both cases, a historically dominant group (the British in Northern Ireland, and the Jews in Israel) established control over land and people with a complex history of displacement, religious divisions, and territorial disputes. Both situations involve a minority group (Catholics in Northern Ireland, Palestinians in Israel) resisting what they perceive as foreign occupation or colonial control, leading to deep-rooted tensions and cycles of violence. I’m not equating the two directly, but drawing attention to these parallels can help in understanding how colonialism, identity, and territorial claims continue to affect both regions."

while you may say this is confirmation bias, I believe I have outlined an accurate comparison. understand that you can compare apples and oranges. that does not mean one has confirmation bias. comparing A with B is a comparison, some are closer then others. i mean one could compare Israel with America, or with Germany or with Japan. some things overlap, some dont.

This post was edited by ferdia on Dec 19 2024 03:49pm

Just to add, the Ireland vs. Palestine comparison is, historically speaking, apt. Irish people were, at the time, considered mindless violent barbarians by the civilized English people, much like the Palestinians are in the present. And this belief was, like Palestine, not without merit: the Irish people are excessively brutal in how they fought peaceful British settlers during their rebellions (intifadas). Irish rebels would raid the land of peaceful British settlers and slaughter everyone, infants, children, mothers, fathers. It was common for the Irish to leave babies skewered on pikes to send a message. In response to these atrocities & a chorus of Parliamentary support, Lord Cromwell (re)conquered the whole island, crushed the rebellion, and brutally pacified the population.

Now, over 300 years later, Irish people aren't considered subhuman at all, and are generally a culture that is respected and admired.

It's not that different from the present Israel-Palestine situation

(I am a Northern Irish 3rd generation Canadian immigrant)

This post was edited by El1te on Dec 19 2024 04:17pm

expressions such as confirmation bias and whataboutism are somewhat overused in a political sub forum when noting the point of the sub forum is to debate, and one best does that by comparing events.

Over 13xx pages I’ve said “confirmation bias” exactly two times.
Anyways, it’s not about comparing events.

this was not really directed at you to be honest. related to the matter at hand I was merely trying to explain a rationale for a broader irish view of the current events in israel.