the most common thread of nearly ALL school shooters is a simple one, access to family guns.

too many gun owners without gun safes, or with gun safes their children have access to.

literally hundreds of kids lives could be saved just by owning a gun case that your child doesn't know the access to or have the key to. its really that simple.

yet i know MANY people who have gun rooms stuffed full of guns without safes, no trigger locks, and a locked door where even the 5 year old knows the key location for. it's idiotic.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Dec 18 2024 12:28pm

See, bullying and giving the bullied those means to retaliate are the problem. Addressing both of those would bring more than shifting the blame on left or right. I am not American but I have the feeling looking at these discussions that both sides try to frame the situations according to their narratives instead of looking at a problem as is. Health system problem isn't also left or right. If getting sick can ruin the life of a middle class family then the system needs to be reformed no questions asked.

This post was edited by babun1024 on Dec 18 2024 12:34pm

i dont disagree, its a matter of logistics tho. a war on bullying is likely impossible. convincing parents their kids might kill themselves playing with their loose guns so they need a safe is easier.

Nah its a left and right thing, the right WANT the health system owned by psychopathic corporations, no idea why.

I am sure that the majority of the people in the US don't want the current system otherwise you wouldn't have this thread. It doesn't matter whether you classify them as left or right. Same thing can be said about the housing problem or wage problem. No matter what your political views are addressing those issues first would serve the interests of the majority (democracy should be about addressing the interests of as many people as possible). Instead, you fight each other in matters like LGTBQHD++ rights, abortions etc. Well guess, feminists, trans, gays and whoever would also profit frim affordable housing, affordable healthcare and adequate wages. You could pursue those right after achieving the fundamental ones first but instead you CHOOSE to be divided and manipulated into the situation you are.

This post was edited by babun1024 on Dec 18 2024 04:18pm

Those psychopathic corporations fund most medical research, which benefits the entire world.

Look it up, America has a significantly lower population than Europe and spends over five times as much as the entire EU on medical R&D. If you ever need medication or surgery, it doesn't matter where in the world you live, the research on the drugs and procedures were paid for by Americans. This is possible because American companies are incentivized to do that research in order to generate the profits that result. This is how capitalism works--and it does work, undeniably. All of the proof is in Europe and Australia and Canada, and everywhere in the world except America's contributions to medical research. Their numbers are pathetic. American healthcare isn't perfect, but it contributes profoundly to the standard of living of literally the entire world.

It seems to me that thanks are in order, not criticism from nations unable or unwilling to contribute meaningfully to that research.

This post was edited by Shadowoffury on Dec 18 2024 04:42pm

You forgot to mention that most of those researchers are/were from Europe There is no need to go to extremes. A healthcare system not helping people isn't worth it.

Too bad these people are mostly severely lacking in the common sense and intelligence departments. Most of them cant be trusted with a microwave let alone firearms. An extremely poor vetting system and letting just anyone have guns, and not manning up and taking them away when warranted would save a lot of firearm related deaths. Not just school shootings. Its absolutely hilarious how this country looks at domestic violence that ends in a firearm fatality and just goes. "Welp. Nothin we coulda done. Beer?"

Ok... so how come aussie scientists just came up with a blood test for melanoma skin cancer and didn't need to make billions of dollars to do it?
Also i see your point about your ridiculous profit system driving creation and i counter with artificial kidneys being opposed by those corporations for over a decade because a cured patient doesn't generate 60k a year in medical costs.

This post was edited by Plaguefear on Dec 18 2024 07:05pm

That’s fair. It’s not a perfect system, it’s just a better system.

I’m the last person you’ll find trusting drug companies, I believe in regulating them heavily and sentencing everyone involved with jail time when they’re caught doing immoral and illegal things, which they often are.