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Oct 20 2023 11:32am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Oct 20 2023 09:55am)
Which reasonable compromise proposal did they accept?


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/may/16/the-real-reason-the-israel-palestine-peace-process-always-fails

the short answer is that Israel wants to maintain the status quo

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Oct 20 2023 11:34am
Quote (Budgeting @ 20 Oct 2023 19:12)
this thread is really sad. to the people defending terrorists here, go move to a islamic country and find out what its really like and see if you will still defend them. this world is about compromise and moving on. the hamas killed innocents. they started this current situation and palestinians abroad celebrated. everything else aside, this instance is on them. if they cared about their civilians, they would stop. but nope, they use them as meat shields.


It's easy: if you can't openly support the palestinians genocide and appartheid over the last decades, largely fuelled by americans military assistance, you simply have to constantly accuse others to support terrorists...

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Oct 20 2023 11:42am
Quote (Meanwhile @ Oct 20 2023 08:09pm)
I'm not naive and I know that while pointing out terrorists and amalgaming them with the whole Palestinian population, far right & related israelis are silently pushing the genocide pedal.
If it's not 1500 bombed children it's 1000 and it will probably be 1500 in the next vey few days. You have a link in my signature, dare to tell me the if this trend is wrong.


Lies and deception is part of the Palestinian propaganda since forever.
Hamas simply did what he always say. In all previous rounds in Gaza over the years, you wrote the same stuff and posted different charts. Now that all the world saw the true face of the organization that rules Gaza Strip and Israel is to face with him, you still hold the same mantra. This is how modern warfare in urbanised city looks like and this is how you minimise casualties. No other army will do it better. I know you think that there are different options. Really, there aren’t.
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Oct 20 2023 11:42am
Quote (Handcuffs @ Oct 20 2023 01:20pm)
Noting the historical and present-day injustices from Israel is not the same as defending terrorists. The conflict is bigger than what happened on October 7th, and subsequently the conversation is bigger.


this is funny, do you have this same view of reparations for slaves? if we continue to hold onto the past, we will never move forward. learning from it to make better decisions in the future and compromising with each other is how we grow.

palestine decided to continue violence by killing innocents - including foreign nationals and were met with a very harsh response. everyone loses. thats what you are not getting.
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Oct 20 2023 11:52am
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this is funny, do you have this same view of reparations for slaves? if we continue to hold onto the past, we will never move forward. learning from it to make better decisions in the future and compromising with each other is how we grow.

palestine decided to continue violence by killing innocents - including foreign nationals and were met with a very harsh response. everyone loses. thats what you are not getting.


But it is not simply "the past" in this instance. Israel is actively continuing settlement expansion and blockades.
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Oct 20 2023 12:02pm
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But it is not simply "the past" in this instance. Israel is actively continuing settlement expansion and blockades.


due to on-going violence perpetrated by the hamas.
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Oct 20 2023 12:04pm
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due to on-going violence perpetrated by the hamas.


The conflict is multi-faceted, no doubt. All I'm suggesting is that people speaking to the injustices of Israel is not the same as supporting Hamas.
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Oct 20 2023 12:06pm
Quote (WhiteSouned @ 20 Oct 2023 19:42)
Lies and deception is part of the Palestinian propaganda since forever.
Hamas simply did what he always say. In all previous rounds in Gaza over the years, you wrote the same stuff and posted different charts. Now that all the world saw the true face of the organization that rules Gaza Strip and Israel is to face with him, you still hold the same mantra. This is how modern warfare in urbanised city looks like and this is how you minimise casualties. No other army will do it better. I know you think that there are different options. Really, there aren’t.


Lies and deception... I don't think they are the only ones :lol:

I would simply like to point out the Gaza living conditions Israel far right gov created over the last decades...

"
Our report reveals the true extent of Israel’s apartheid regime. Whether they live in Gaza, East Jerusalem and the rest of the West Bank, or Israel itself, Palestinians are treated as an inferior racial group and systematically deprived of their rights. We found that Israel’s cruel policies of segregation, dispossession and exclusion across all territories under its control clearly amount to apartheid. The international community has an obligation to act

Agnès Callamard, Amnesty International’s Secretary General
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Oct 20 2023 12:10pm
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But it is not simply "the past" in this instance. Israel is actively continuing settlement expansion and blockades.


Thats no true.
Israel left Gaza and never came back
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Oct 20 2023 12:15pm
Quote (Many_Names @ Oct 20 2023 11:10am)
Thats no true.
Israel left Gaza and never came back


Israel has blockaded Gaza and has illegally expanded into the West Bank. Palestine is not geographically contiguous, but their struggle is.
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