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Mar 10 2010 08:12pm
Quote (Arsenic_Touch @ Mar 10 2010 07:45pm)
:rofl: I wasn't aware all law abiding people worked in plants and assembly lines for production.
Let me know the next time a law abiding citizen wants to pick up trash on the side of a highway in an orange jump suit and can't get a job because a criminal took it from him.


Let me know when you want to accept the fact that prison work programs put people out of work. I'll be happy to post the studies.

Prison labor should be limited to self-sufficiency and nothing more.
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Mar 10 2010 08:13pm
Quote (SeaBas @ Mar 10 2010 11:49am)
It's better than it is here probably (Holland). For a homicide you get 5-10 years, and the maximum prison time is about 20 years.

Waaay too soft i think.


10 years is a huge section of your life
just think about spending 10 years doing nothing in prison
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Mar 10 2010 08:14pm
Quote (iCanD @ Mar 10 2010 09:13pm)
10 years is a huge section of your life
just think about spending 10 years doing nothing in prison


And? You committed a homicide. Get the fuck out. Serve 50 years at minimum, shit.
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Mar 10 2010 08:18pm
Quote (Bannister19 @ Mar 10 2010 08:14pm)
And? You committed a homicide. Get the fuck out. Serve 50 years at minimum, shit.


He's talking about bankrupt european welfare states. They don't have enough of other people's money to give criminals 50 years.

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Mar 10 2010 08:20pm
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He's talking about bankrupt european welfare states. They don't have enough of other people's money to give criminals 50 years.


They can borrow from the US. Soon, a lot of other peoples money will be in the Governments hands.
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Mar 10 2010 08:53pm
Quote (Rugzy @ Mar 11 2010 12:41am)
They should put those people to productive work.

Such as stmping plates, and 8 hours of things they should do that no one wants to do.

Get some use out of them instead of giving them free time to lift weights.  Let them get up at 5am every morning and work until sun down

Now that is real jail

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Then you need to pay to have people to administer all of these jobs, manage all of the prisoners, etc.

It works if you have a small-time prison like you see in Cool Hand Luke, but it isn't practical with respect to large scale prisons.
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Mar 10 2010 09:36pm
Military does it well

It is all about management and process.

You dont follow rules, get up shower in time, be at your post to work, you dont eat that day.

Put some simple work force management process and software and you can know exactly who is doing what at all times.

Put some simple technolog to use.

Lazy people can starve in their cell and die.

They added no value in society in real life and commit crime and now in jail hey cant do simple thngs to be fed and housed, then they have no value in this society.

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Mar 10 2010 10:12pm
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Exactly, so the prisoners can take over the jobs of law abiding people and put them out of work. That'll show em.


People need to see Shawshank Redemption.
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Mar 11 2010 02:49am
Quote (jjarv @ Mar 10 2010 05:18pm)
I think it's a failure as well.

We need to focus more on rehabilitation instead of letting prisons become cesspools and crime training academies.


this made me really LOL hard. thx,
Do you think the inmates at Pelican Bay State Prison give a flying fuck about rehabilitation,
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Quote (VileDoom @ Mar 11 2010 08:49am)
this made me really LOL hard. thx,
Do you think the inmates at Pelican Bay State Prison give a flying fuck about rehabilitation,


You don't seem to understand what he was saying.

The point of prison, on some level, is to rehabilitate the prisoners so that they won't repeat the crime (currently a huge chunk of prisoners are repeat offenders.)

However, in the current system the prisoners who go there learn better ways to commit crimes, they increase the contacts within the criminal community, etc. -- mainly because the influence of gangs in prison (especially here in the CA-NV-AZ, etc. area.)

The inmates may not care, but we should care because it is in the interest of the greater good of society.
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