Your judging the game based on its first release with no real time to grow and improve. The game was released and will continue to change for the better while receiving input over complaints. Those who say Omg Wow Graphics, Look at how many years they've had to accomplish that. Wow did break grounds but became boring fast due to the inability to offer variety. In rift the "Rift events" and random invasions beats Wow Any day because it allows groups to raid together without being discriminated against simplly because u werent in some Nerd Guild. Its a brand new game and eventualy will not only have all of the wow players but will surpass it easy. Wow fans just hate it because they no longer have their buddies raiding with them in WoW. Instead their sulking and crying how there Friends are all playing Rift.

Ok, you are the prime example of an MMO hopper. You are the type of person that bowed down to Aion, Warhammer, and the other past failed MMOs, and look where those games are now. People were saying the exact same things for those games; "Oh, sure, it has problems, but the developers will fix them and kill WoW, etc etc."

Firstly, a large majority of the people that quit WoW for Rift are already back to WoW. So no, it won't even steal a noticeable fraction of WoW's players. Almost half of my entire guild in WoW quit for Rift. Guess what? Out of the 28 that left, 20 are back. Go figure. (Yes, I am in a relatively small guild, we only have 65 people right now. The ones that left were planning on starting a new guild on Rift, but they all told me it was awful, although I think I'll still give it a shot, eventually)

Secondly, yes, it does have the opportunity to fix its mistakes, but in the MMO business, the first impression is the MOST IMPORTANT part of the entire game's life. If there are a ton of issues with the initial release, the game will never grow to the point where those issues will actually be fixed. The game must be better in EVERY way than WoW in initial release to beat WoW. Otherwise, Blizzard, with their mountain o' cash and gigantic fanbase, can just plow forward with updates that will blow said game away.

People aren't going to quit an MMO to go play the same, exact, MMO. Only something radical like Tera has even a minute chance of damaging WoW's fanbase (not saying Tera will, I am more talking about new concepts here).

And your post answers the topic title by itself. You said the game will "improve over time," to "hopefully" steal WoW's fanbase. If it needs to improve to actually compete with WoW, then it is currently much worse.

PS: Rifts are not a game-making idea; they are just a gimmick. Rifts won't make this game last if it can't pull itself together in other departments (most noticeably, balance and questing/solo play).



TLDR Version: NEVER say the phrase "WoW-killer" or allude to it. The only company that will kill WoW is Blizzard, unless something REALLY special comes out.

This post was edited by gateguy on Mar 14 2011 07:08pm

Gateguy you're to much of a huge wow-fan and seem to be blinded by it immensely, I played wow since start of BC and honestly, now when I ever log on I just stand in a major city and don't know what to do because its all so boring.

not saying it's a wow killer at all, but it can get up to meet wow in subscribers easily, seeing how it's already surpassed warhammer, aion, and all those other mmos that came out and people thought theyd be amazing.

and if you're any good at wow then you'd know how boring it is, but you're prolly some baddie who waits for the huge nerfs in raids and get all ur gear and act like ur just as good as the guilds that got it at release of a raid, because almost all people that are casual fags on wow are all gunhoe about it being the best thing ever.

I am not a WoW fan. I stopped my WoW subscription a month ago. However, I hate seeing ignorance in games like these. When I look at Rift, I do not see a new game. I see WoW, re-skinned. That is a problem. I want a new game, not WoW 2.0.

You can't judge the "fun-factor" of this game yet either; it is only a month old. Unless the game gets some serious changes and developments in progress, I do not believe it will last more than a year.

If WoW players say an MMO is so bad that they want to quit it, then why the hell would I think it is good? If they are willing to go back to WoW, of all games, over this game, then it must be horrible.

This post was edited by gateguy on Mar 14 2011 07:16pm

this kid has been trolling since 3 beta's ago ignore his opinion he is just A TROLL... I have played warhammer, aion, Daoc, and wow for 5 years, ive raided in all 4 games in high end raiding guilds and ive played in top20 us pvp. Rift is vanilla wow with better graphics, less bugs better pvp and more content, the game is never ending there is always action pve or pvp IE monsters attacking quest hubs or citys, along with large zone wide events that CAN spawn huge 20+ man raid bosses that give a challenge and great loot, all while pvping. gateguy seriously just since you cannot afford the game and have to play wow GTFO the rift forum before mini mods force you out.

O and wow is recycling 4 year old content BECAUSE THEY CANNOT COME UP WITH NEW SHIT CUZ THERE BAD, and i disagree just cuz ur low pop guild quit doesnt mean others have, in fact ive seen more and more people playing the game daily. so dont count ur small worthless guild as ALL OF WOW PLAYERS, cuz its not true at all.

This post was edited by Hatewish on Mar 14 2011 07:20pm

how is it a wow clone?

why can't you just say it's an mmorpg clone since thats what they are, all their features are what makes an mmo, and if one mmo has one feature thats in wow people go and start screaming omg wow clone, personally I don't see hardly anything that you can say about it being a wow clone at all anyways, the talent trees and class system are totally different, the raiding system is different, and much better imo, and a big feature in it is rifts, which I think are awesome.

Better Than Wow?

Topic title. Bolded. Question was asked. I answered. Trolling? No. You just don't like my answer. Point? Get over it.

And btw, I bolded the most bullshit part of your statement. Rift is not even close to bug free. Even WoW, of all games, has less bugs. Hell, Rift doesn't even work on certain graphics cards due to bugs.

Because, it is a WoW, and formerly, Everquest, clone.

When you look at Tera, do you think of WoW? No.

When you look at Blade and Soul, do you think of WoW? No.

My point is, it is possible to make an MMO with VERY few similarities to pre-existing MMOs. Rift doesn't even try to hide it. Therefore, a WoW, or Everquest, if you want to look at it that way, clone.

This post was edited by gateguy on Mar 14 2011 07:21pm

tera looks more like a hack and slash somewhat mixed with an mmo.

blade and soul looks nice, but just looks kind of dumb, I mean I looked at it, and flinging stuff up into the air and smashing it onto the ground? kinda seems dumb and really would ruin pvp etc, not sure how all that would fit into pve also.

I like the tone of this conversation better

Yeah, unsure whether either game will work out. Experimentation can either be fun for players, or can ruin the experience. But experimentation also brings the best results.

I have been reading nothing but positive feedback about Tera from IGN and other review sites, so I have high hopes for the game. Hopefully it turns out all right.

/e And enough of off-topic MMOs. Was just using them as an example.

This post was edited by gateguy on Mar 14 2011 07:30pm