Hello Everyone,

Had an interesting thought the other day with a friend driving home from another town.

It's not worded the most eloquently however I hope the point is still there. Would love to see some people's opinions on this.


Innately, Altruism is unsustainable in nature. This has been true to date. However, with us, as a global society nowadays doing things and producing technologies, Figuring out previously thought to be impossible paradoxes, and have been learning about ourselves holistically at an unprecedented rate more than any other time in history. Could we make unprecedented societal changes on a global scale?

It's a seemingly impossible task but that's kind of my point.

We are doing things these days that weren't even fathomable 50 years ago.

All the uptioan models out there are neat but it's impossible to account for an infinite amount of ever-changing variables.



Cool to think about.

I think we'll be in a tug of war or stuck in an endless loop until we are no longer.

There is no evil or bad end of the road. There is no light and heavenly hymns at the end either.

It's just more road.

hello !

so the short answer is no it is not possible and will never be possible with any civilization anywhere. personally that no is so hard that i think its the solution to the fermi paradox

long answer:

according to the laws of nature, there is one law: survive. you either follow that law or die. note that this means survival of your genes, so the more correlated something was to your genes, the more sacrifice you would make to help it survive. you love yourself more than other people. you love your family more than other families. you love your race more than other races. and although leftoids call this racism or claim it doesnt even exist, it does and it has a name: "group selection"

anyways, a group is favored in any environment that can sustain a group, if the resources are very scarce, the individual survival instinct will prevail and the group will collapse (polar bears), if the resources are abundant, the group will not be much needed and will also tend to collapse (humanity now). still, in most cases the group is favored. and the group needs to be sustained somehow, as group members should actually care about the group in order for the whole thing to work!

so here we come to altruism. the same way a mother is connected to her child (and her genes), so are group members (although much weaker due to relative genetic difference compared to the first case). that group connection, the need to help others, is basically derived from your group instincts and was favored by evolution through most of the human evolution. its not anymore, as people dont have lives hard enough for the group to be needed also altruism is correlated to intelligence, and since that one is falling as well due to different factors, altruism is going DOWN.

basically, theres only one variable here, what is currently favored by evolution. and no amount of technology is gonna change that. and even if someone wins the evolutionary battle and his family remains the only one on earth, people in that family would still have some genetic differences and the whole process would happen all over again.

anyways, just no. as sad as it might sound to an altruistic person, altruism is basically just an evolutionary adaptation that enables the group to function once theres no need for it, the survival instinct will take over.