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Jul 16 2016 06:23pm
The human species is not very objective about itself. This prevents us from seeing that our brain is comprehension capped.

If you took the smartest chimpanzee in the world and tried to teach it to do calculus, you could never succeed. No matter how much you taught and practiced, the fibers of that chimp's brain are permanently incapable of ever grasping the concept of calculus.

Now, roll the evolutionary scale forward a fraction and see a species whose DNA varies from a chimp by ~1%.

This new species believes itself to be capable of comprehending everything in the universe. It's very self absorbed to think that the moment of OUR CREATION was the magic switch that unlocked unlimited comprehension.

There are probably concepts in the universe that are as impossible for our brains to grasp as calculus is for a chimp.

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Jul 16 2016 08:29pm
Of course, but our brains are still evolving. Who knows in what direction, but they're surely doing something different.
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Jul 17 2016 01:44am
Quote (kayeto @ Jul 17 2016 12:23am)
The human species is not very objective about itself. This prevents us from seeing that our brain is comprehension capped.

If you took the smartest chimpanzee in the world and tried to teach it to do calculus, you could never succeed. No matter how much you taught and practiced, the fibers of that chimp's brain are permanently incapable of ever grasping the concept of calculus.

Now, roll the evolutionary scale forward a fraction and see a species whose DNA varies from a chimp by ~1%.

This new species believes itself to be capable of comprehending everything in the universe. It's very self absorbed to think that the moment of OUR CREATION was the magic switch that unlocked unlimited comprehension.

There are probably concepts in the universe that are as impossible for our brains to grasp as calculus is for a chimp.



Where is your evidence of humans being created?
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Jul 17 2016 02:55am
Quote (Hacintosh @ Jul 17 2016 01:44am)
Where is your evidence of humans being created?


everyone is created through a process called evolution and adaptation... are you saying we are not created but destroyed? and that we are de-evolving from a forgotten species?
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Jul 17 2016 03:24am
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everyone is created through a process called evolution and adaptation... are you saying we are not created but destroyed? and that we are de-evolving from a forgotten species?


Evolution does not "create" anything. It modifies what already existed.
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Jul 17 2016 10:28am
Quote (Hacintosh @ Jul 17 2016 03:44am)
Where is your evidence of humans being created?


When I use the words "our creation" in this context, I refer to the moment the 23-chromosme pair model (and other factors that differentiate our DNA from chimps) first came into existence and homo sapiens were introduced.

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Evolution does not "create" anything. It modifies what already existed.


If you want to argue that "create" is the wrong word to use for when that unique chromosomal structure (which didn't exist prior to that point) came into being, then fine. That's semantics and is offtopic from my post. Go make your own thread to argue your view that evolution does not create new species.

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Jul 17 2016 01:26pm
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Of course, but our brains are still evolving. Who knows in what direction, but they're surely doing something different.


are they though? Does reproductive success currently favor mutations that make the brain smarter? Who had more kids: Einstein or Genghis Khan?

Is the world we live in going to facilitate the evolution of a species whose DNA varies from ours by 1% in the same way that ours varies from chimps?



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are they though? Does reproductive success currently favor mutations that make the brain smarter?

Do you feel smarter than a monkey?

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Who had more kids: Einstein or Genghis Khan?

guess who raped more women

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Is the world we live in going to facilitate the evolution of a species whose DNA varies from ours by 1% in the same way that ours varies from chimps?


Who knows. Our life span is most probably way too short to find out.
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Jul 17 2016 05:36pm
Quote (kayeto @ 17 Jul 2016 03:23)
The human species is not very objective about itself. This prevents us from seeing that our brain is comprehension capped.

If you took the smartest chimpanzee in the world and tried to teach it to do calculus, you could never succeed. No matter how much you taught and practiced, the fibers of that chimp's brain are permanently incapable of ever grasping the concept of calculus.

Now, roll the evolutionary scale forward a fraction and see a species whose DNA varies from a chimp by ~1%.

This new species believes itself to be capable of comprehending everything in the universe. It's very self absorbed to think that the moment of OUR CREATION was the magic switch that unlocked unlimited comprehension.

There are probably concepts in the universe that are as impossible for our brains to grasp as calculus is for a chimp.


ye well, calculus was our own invention. if u cant have a proper way of explaining it to the monkey it cant fully understand it however i've seen footage of chimps solving quite complex problems which they clearly understand.

the same goes for many animal languages that we dont understand. its not that our brains r incapable, animals just cant explain it ;p

having said that, i agree that there r obvious examples of other animals that clearly dont have enough brain power to comprehend life to the level we do.

if u propose that there is a limit to human comprehension, u should probably try and give an example of what could be so unimaginable.

theres tons of ideas out there that are absolutely crazy yet some people still believe in them. the way i see it, if u can imagine something, no matter how crazy it is, and if it eventually turns out to be true, u wont be surprised that much :p

human imagination is so powerful that there's hardly anything that u could think of that hasnt already been thought about by someone else and there r probably books about it too ;p

1 thing of the top of my head that i find hard to comprehend is that the largest sun ever observed was measured to be so big that if u could make a trip around it on a jet traveling at 900km/h, it would take u roughly 2000 years to complete the journey.

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Jul 20 2016 12:31pm
Quote (kayeto @ Jul 17 2016 02:26pm)
are they though? Does reproductive success currently favor mutations that make the brain smarter? Who had more kids: Einstein or Genghis Khan?

Is the world we live in going to facilitate the evolution of a species whose DNA varies from ours by 1% in the same way that ours varies from chimps?


I didn't say that they are evolving to become smarter. They are evolving based on whatever traits support reproduction and survival CURRENTLY.
Obviously there are some people (we're on jsp, so this point goes without saying) who stand much less chances of mating.
Those people are not as likely to pass on whatever trait it is that makes them less likely to mate.
So I reiterate, I think that we continue to evolve. And again, whether or not we're going in a good direction with evolution is up for debate.
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