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May 12 2016 01:23am



Self luminous moons have such profound implications on the state of our current information dissemination system, that most will refuse to replicate this experiment under the scientific method themselves.
If you claim to love science, maybe even fuckingly so, you should investigate the world around you before you dismiss that which contradicts what you were made to believe.
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May 12 2016 09:52am
This experiment is pretty uncontrolled and proves nothing.
There are a good number of factors that could affect it.
Take for example the idea, which he mentions, of radiation. It's well known in thermodynamics that heat flows more quickly in the presence of a larger temperature gap.
Given that the hotter end of the metal is shaded, and there is a large light over the cooler end, it makes sense to say that heat would escape more readily into the air on the end that is cooler for that reason.
On the other side, the air is shaded and cooler, thus the warm metal loses heat more readily on the other side.

If you claim to love Science, then this video should not be hard to pick apart. Science not only requires you to make a prediction; you need to test it in a REASONABLE way. That's the step that was left out.

e/ I voted I care, because at least you're questioning things. However, it seems to me that you mock science for it's alleged lack of investigation, then you proceed to not investigate this flawed experiment.

This post was edited by ringo794 on May 12 2016 09:55am
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May 12 2016 04:50pm
I don't get. Self-luminous moon? Is the suggestion here that the moon glows on its own? If that's the case, why do we ever see a crescent-shaped moon?
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May 12 2016 09:38pm
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I don't get. Self-luminous moon? Is the suggestion here that the moon glows on its own? If that's the case, why do we ever see a crescent-shaped moon?


Some of the moonlings go on strike?
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May 12 2016 11:54pm
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Some of the moonlings go on strike?


Hmm... I haven't thought of that. The moon unions wield considerable power.
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May 14 2016 02:05am
Quote (ringo794 @ 12 May 2016 10:52)
This experiment is pretty uncontrolled and proves nothing.
There are a good number of factors that could affect it.
Take for example the idea, which he mentions, of radiation. It's well known in thermodynamics that heat flows more quickly in the presence of a larger temperature gap.
Given that the hotter end of the metal is shaded, and there is a large light over the cooler end, it makes sense to say that heat would escape more readily into the air on the end that is cooler for that reason.
On the other side, the air is shaded and cooler, thus the warm metal loses heat more readily on the other side.

If you claim to love Science, then this video should not be hard to pick apart. Science not only requires you to make a prediction; you need to test it in a REASONABLE way. That's the step that was left out.

e/ I voted I care, because at least you're questioning s. However, it seems to me that you mock science for it's alleged lack of investigation, then you proceed to not investigate this flawed experiment.





There's almost 170k videos of people recreating this experiment in a variety of different ways. I took my IR thermometer and wandered around my yard, almost 100% consistent the shade was at least an entire degree warmer.


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I don't get. Self-luminous moon? Is the suggestion here that the moon glows on its own? If that's the case, why do we ever see a crescent-shaped moon?



It is called a "lunar day" according to NOAA.GOV and presents 50 minutes of extra moon exposure.
http://oceanservice.noaa.gov/education/kits/tides/media/supp_tide05.html

AXIOM:
one solar day =360°
360°/24h = 15°h

one lunar day =360°
360°/24.83h = 14.5°h

it follows:
.5°/h x24h
The moon looses 12° per day on the sun.

Confirmation:
12°/day x (lunar cycle)30day = 360°

12° loss per day creates phases of the moon.

Also the 13th century calculators could figure this out before you did.

https://www.ted.com/talks/tom_wujec_demos_the_13th_century_astrolabe?language=en



Quote (Asexual @ 12 May 2016 22:38)
Some of the moonlings go on strike?


That's called a blood moon.
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May 16 2016 11:03am
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It is called a "lunar day" according to NOAA.GOV and presents 50 minutes of extra moon exposure.
http://oceanservice.noaa.gov/education/kits/tides/media/supp_tide05.html

AXIOM:
one solar day =360°
360°/24h = 15°h

one lunar day =360°
360°/24.83h = 14.5°h

it follows:
.5°/h x24h
The moon looses 12° per day on the sun.

Confirmation:
12°/day x (lunar cycle)30day = 360°

12° loss per day creates phases of the moon.

Also the 13th century calculators could figure this out before you did.

https://www.ted.com/talks/tom_wujec_demos_the_13th_century_astrolabe?language=en


Why do solar days matter if the moon is self-luminous? What does the sun have to do with anything? I have a light bulb at home that's self-luminous and it never experiences phases.
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May 17 2016 12:29am
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Why do solar days matter if the moon is self-luminous? What does the sun have to do with anything? I have a light bulb at home that's self-luminous and it never experiences phases.

The luminous portion is a fragment of the moon

The portion of illumination changes based on viewing angle, perspective.

Or the projected energy is indistinguishable by the human eye and different from that which is perceived as a reflection.

There is also reasonable theories in variation of elevation.

Of course most outlandish is the government psyop assertation of a race of bioluminecent shrimp who migrate in groups together.

I've heard all explanations and I won't subscribe to any until they are verifiable by a preponderance of evidence or mathematical expression.


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May 17 2016 06:28am
...cold is produced by the removal/transfer of heat .
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Quote (WidowMaKer_MK @ 17 May 2016 07:28)
...cold is produced by the removal/transfer of heat .


I have an understanding of thermodynamics,
that's why I'm interested in discovering how this phenomena works.

Any other riveting information?
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