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Jun 23 2014 12:00pm
http://higherperspective.com/2014/06/may-ancient-earth-inside-earth-say-harvard-scientists.html?utm_source=HP

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If you thought it was a trip to see the Earth from space, then wait until you get a load of this: A team of scientists from Harvard University believe that have found evidence that an ancient Earth exists inside the Earth.
The team believes that a previously unexplained isotopic ratio from deep within the Earth might be a signal from material from before the Earth collided with another planet-sized body, which led to the creation of the Moon. This might be an echo of an ancient Earth that existed 4.5 billion years ago, prior to the proposed collision.
The current favored theory says that the Moon was formed 4.5 billion years ago when the Earth collided with a mass the size of Mars, dubbed “Theia.” This theory states that the heat generated by the collision would have melted the whole planet before some of the debris spun off to create the Moon.
But now, the team at Harvard, led by Associate Professor Sujoy Mukhopadhyay, believe that they’ve found evidence to support that only part of the Earth melted, and that an ancient part still exists within the Earth’s mantle.
According to Professor Mukhopadhyay: “The energy released by the impact between the Earth and Theia would have been huge, certainly enough to melt the whole planet. But we believe that the impact energy was not evenly distributed throughout the ancient Earth. This means that a major part of the impacted hemisphere would probably have been completely vaporized, but the opposite hemisphere would have been partly shielded, and would not have undergone complete melting.”


The team analyzed the ratios of noble gas isotopes from deep within the Earth’s mantle and compared the results to isotope ratios closer to the surface. They found that 3He to 22Ne ratio from the shallow mantle is significantly higher than the equivalent ratio deep within the mantle.
Professor Mukhopadhyay remarked: “This implies that the last giant impact did not completely mix the mantle and there was not a whole mantle magma ocean.”
Further evidence comes from analysis of the 129-Xenon to 120-Xenon ratio. Material brought to the surface from the deep mantle has a lower ratio than what’s normally found near the surface. Because 129-Xenon is produced by the radioactive decay of 129-Iodine, the isotopes place the formation age of the ancient section of mantle to within the first 100 million years of Earth’s history.
“The geochemistry indicates that there are differences between the noble gas isotope ratios in different parts of the Earth, and these need to be explained. The idea that a very disruptive collision of the Earth with another planet-sized body, the biggest event in Earth’s geological history, did not completely melt and homogenize the Earth challenges some of our notions on planet formation and the energetics of giant impacts. If the theory is proven correct, then we may be seeing echoes of the ancient Earth, from a time before the collision,” said Professor Mukhopadhyay.
Professor Richard Carlson of the Carnegie Institution Department of Terrestrial Magnetism stated: “This exciting result is adding to the observational evidence that important aspects of Earth’s composition were established during the violent birth of the planet and is providing a new look at the physical processes by which this can occur.”
The findings of the team at Harvard coincide with a German team’s findings supporting the theory that the Moon was formed 4.5 billion years ago after a catastrophic collision with a planet-sized mass.
Both the Harvard and German teams presented their findings to the Goldschmidt Geochemistry Conference in California this week.


I put the link to the article above the quote of it here^ it's a little easier on the eyes than this wall of text.

Just thought it was in interesting read, and a neat theory they are looking into.
Figured I would share with you.
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Jun 23 2014 12:21pm
Earthception! An Earth within an Earth.
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Jun 23 2014 03:51pm
Interesting
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Jun 23 2014 08:35pm
I love when stuff like this is discovered. The interior of the earth is one of the hardest places to study. Its structure is only revealed by seismic mapping, and its composition is chemically heterogeneous yet it can only be sampled in select places.
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Jun 24 2014 01:11am
Sure is interesting.

I had researched about another similar theory.

One thing about this one that I dont get exactly.
Isn't our sun 4.5 B years old? Wich is also the same age of our Moon?
So, another planet colliding with "earth" ~ 4.5B years ago, would make sense. The old sun died, hence a gravitational dissruption of sorts, wich might of lead to a or some collisions.

Or am I wrong here? The old sun didn't die, and they're using 4.5B years as a approximate #. Where as our Sun is a tad older (~4.5B) than the time of this collision and creation of our Moon (>4.5B).
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Jun 24 2014 01:50am
None of the numbers are exact and keep in mind .01 difference=10 million years.

And the thing about the old sun dying would of been far more violent than just a couple planets having a messed up orbit.

If a sun similar to ours begins to die it goes red giant and would consume all the inner planets as well as lose grip on the outer planets and their orbits would widen drastically.
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Jun 24 2014 03:38am
Quote (Subwoofer @ Jun 24 2014 03:50am)
None of the numbers are exact and keep in mind .01 difference=10 million years.

And the thing about the old sun dying would of been far more violent than just a couple planets having a messed up orbit.

If a sun similar to ours begins to die it goes red giant and would consume all the inner planets as well as lose grip on the outer planets and their orbits would widen drastically.


I know all this.
It's why I rather have more precise numbers, or at least say; before or after our sun. Idk, use some kind of point in time aspect, lol.
Then again, this is all theory, so I guess they dont really need to be so anal about it <_<
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Jun 25 2014 12:18pm
Quote (James84 @ Jun 24 2014 03:11am)
Sure is interesting.

I had researched about another similar theory.

One thing about this one that I dont get exactly.
Isn't our sun 4.5 B years old? Wich is also the same age of our Moon?
So, another planet colliding with "earth" ~ 4.5B years ago, would make sense. The old sun died, hence a gravitational dissruption of sorts, wich might of lead to a or some collisions.

Or am I wrong here? The old sun didn't die, and they're using 4.5B years as a approximate #. Where as our Sun is a tad older (~4.5B) than the time of this collision and creation of our Moon (>4.5B).


A star being born is not the same as a star dying. A star being born is essentially a lot of gas compressing into a huge ball, no effect on the gravity well and no supernova.

One theory is that both proto-planets had overlapping orbits like with Neptune and Pluto. On their own, over time, they would reach harmonic convergence and collide.
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Jun 25 2014 12:19pm
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Jun 28 2014 02:17am
thats scary as fuck.
sounds like more of a realistic end of earth then some Armageddon type shit.

i mean really im gonna go wiki the sun :X
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