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A question I have tho is why can't we digitalize the weight of a kilogram if we posses an object with the exact mass? Couldn't we just weight it and use it as a digital reference?

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Jan 3 2014 02:29pm
but if the digital copy is compromised there is no more standard.
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Jan 3 2014 02:33pm
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but if the digital copy is compromised there is no more standard.


..what? It can be copied infinitely. If it becomes data, you could just upload it to any digital scale to get the exact weight of a KG.
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..what? It can be copied infinitely. If it becomes data, you could just upload it to any digital scale to get the exact weight of a KG.


well first off, not all scales are digital.

second, even if you make multiple copies, it can still be stolen, corrupted, etc.

a physical copy is more reliable as well.

taken from an article regarding this video:

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So while the "meter" is defined as the distance light travels in a tiny fraction of a second, and the "second" can be counted by the precise decay of an atom, the kilogram is no more (and no less) than a physical mass that sits in a secured vault at the Bureau International des Poids et Mesures in Paris.


in short the kilogram was made so that we have units to measure weight, and it happens to be what we consider a kilogram now. i think they are, in essence, digitizing the mass because they
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are crafting nearly perfect spheres made of a highly pure and very stable form of silicon. By calculating the sphere's volume and weight, scientists should be able to determine the exact number of silicon atoms in the object itself, thereby providing an unchanging definition for the mass of a kilogram.


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well first off, not all scales are digital.

second, even if you make multiple copies, it can still be stolen, corrupted, etc.

a physical copy is more reliable as well.

taken from an article regarding this video:



in short the kilogram was made so that we have units to measure weight, and it happens to be what we consider a kilogram now. i think they are, in essence, digitizing the mass because they


Well yea, what they're doing with the sphere is by passing the material and digital worlds and just making a formula. It's really smart, that's why I thought the video was awesome.
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Jan 4 2014 01:47am
Quote (CMBurns @ Jan 3 2014 02:24pm)


A question I have tho is why can't we digitalize the weight of a kilogram if we posses an object with the exact mass? Couldn't we just weight it and use it as a digital reference?


could you explain how it'd be digitized?
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could you explain how it'd be digitized?


Take a digital scale(one connected to a computer), put the KG on it and save the data.

Assuming you lose all physical references of a KG, you can just put mass onto a digital scale and use the data to determine when you've reached 1 KG. I don't think that would be too far fetched.

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O, the question then becomes, do we calibrate the measurand to the instrument or the instrument to the measurand.
instruments do become out of calibration and regularly need to be compared to prototypes for recalibration
there are too many variables in an instrument measurement, while something like that sphere would be regarded as having less variables
so, it would be fine if you could get your measuring system to be more stable and precise enough a prototype

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Jan 4 2014 01:49pm
I thought the gram was equal to a cubic centimeter of water.
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Jan 4 2014 01:50pm
nvm

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