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Dec 23 2012 11:35am
Scientists at the University of Washington say they can potentially test whether we are living in a computer simulation known as the The Lattice. The concept of such a simulation, proposed in 2003 by the British philosopher Nick Bostrom, posits that our far-evolved distant descendants might construct such a program to simulate the past and recreate how their remote ancestors lived. "He felt that such an experiment was inevitable for a super civilization. If it didn't happen by now, then in meant that humanity never evolved that far and we're doomed to a short lifespan as a species, he argued."

The University of Washington team agrees with Bostrom that super-intelligent civilizations would seek to test all numerical possibilities underlying the quantum vacuum through universe simulations. "If we are living in such a program, there could be telltale evidence for the underlying lattice used in modeling the space-time continuum, say the researchers. This signature could show up as a limitation in the energy of cosmic rays." If they were part of a simulation, the rays would travel diagonally across the model universe, not interacting equally in all directions as they would be expected to.
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Dec 23 2012 01:34pm
Well I think it is BS. Here is why:

To make a simulation like that, would requiring hardware that exceeds all known limitations of computing. Which is fine in of itself; new types of computers might be invented some day that can do it. But what they are looking for is something based on the known limitation of computers.... See the problem?

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Dec 23 2012 05:20pm
Quote (Azrad @ Dec 23 2012 01:34pm)
Well I think it is BS. Here is why:

To make a simulation like that, would requiring hardware that exceeds all known limitations of computing. Which is fine in of itself; new types of computers might be invented some day that can do it. But what they are looking for is something based on the known limitation of computers.... See the problem?


or the fact that if we were in a simulated universe its absurd to think we know jack shit about the real universe which we've never even observed.

how can you compare two thing when you only have access to one of them?!
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Dec 23 2012 07:39pm
well to defend the op, if we were in a computer simulation, who are we to say of what we know lol. obviously we would know what we know now, but whoever was on the outside clearly knows more.
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Quote (OrionGG @ Dec 23 2012 06:39pm)
well to defend the op, if we were in a computer simulation, who are we to say of what we know lol.

That is exactly our point:

1. Premise: We are living inside a computer simulation.
2. Inference: The computer that runs this simulation must be extremely advanced compared to anything we have access to.
3. Inference: This computer must have the same limitations as our computers.
4. Therefore: We can look for these limitations to establish that (1) is true.

The problem is (2) and (3) seem to contradict each other.
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Dec 24 2012 09:34am
Quote (Azrad @ Dec 24 2012 06:39am)
That is exactly our point:

1. Premise: We are living inside a computer simulation.
2. Inference: The computer that runs this simulation must be extremely advanced compared to anything we have access to.
3. Inference: This computer must have the same limitations as our computers.
4. Therefore: We can look for these limitations to establish that (1) is true.

The problem is (2) and (3) seem to contradict each other.


Thats why the believers say that dejavous are nothing but a system restore, which happens when something faulty occurs and could compromise our beliefs about whats real.

I met a guy in hawaii, he used to talk about this ALL the time, he knew how everything was in the real life and why we were living in this "dream" instead of the real world, etc.. but I mean he could even connect the bible and god to all of it and still make sense.. crazy..

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Dec 24 2012 11:06am
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Thats why the believers say that dejavous are nothing but a system restore, which happens when something faulty occurs and could compromise our beliefs about whats real.

I met a guy in hawaii, he used to talk about this ALL the time, he knew how everything was in the real life and why we were living in this "dream" instead of the real world, etc.. but I mean he could even connect the bible and god to all of it and still make sense.. crazy..


i fucking want someone to take the time to explain dejavu to me.
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Dec 24 2012 11:17am
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Scientists at the University of Washington say they can potentially test whether we are living in a computer simulation known as the The Lattice. The concept of such a simulation, proposed in 2003 by the British philosopher Nick Bostrom, posits that our far-evolved distant descendants might construct such a program to simulate the past and recreate how their remote ancestors lived. "He felt that such an experiment was inevitable for a super civilization. If it didn't happen by now, then in meant that humanity never evolved that far and we're doomed to a short lifespan as a species, he argued."

The University of Washington team agrees with Bostrom that super-intelligent civilizations would seek to test all numerical possibilities underlying the quantum vacuum through universe simulations. "If we are living in such a program, there could be telltale evidence for the underlying lattice used in modeling the space-time continuum, say the researchers. This signature could show up as a limitation in the energy of cosmic rays." If they were part of a simulation, the rays would travel diagonally across the model universe, not interacting equally in all directions as they would be expected to.


So you're saying I can dodge bullets and punch through walls...brb gotta test this...
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Dec 24 2012 11:26am
Anyone who is actually interested in this thread should check out Gregg Braden.
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Dec 24 2012 12:05pm
Quote (OrionGG @ Dec 24 2012 07:06pm)
i fucking want someone to take the time to explain dejavu to me.


i'm guessing it's a quirk originating from the assumedly associative nature of human memory. You observe something that is strongly associated to something you have already experienced; not necessarily an identical situation but rather something identical in an otherwise different situation. Then your mind proceeds to make the assumption that what you currently see has occurred before, without you acknowledging it.

it's probably something of that kind. Your brain just playing tricks on you ;)

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