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Dec 7 2011 09:12pm
I'm just wondering...

What makes you believe in god?

Just looking for some stimulating debate here.
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Dec 7 2011 09:44pm
When I drowned & died I saw my father in hell.
hell = devil
devil = God
????
profit.
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Dec 7 2011 09:47pm
Quote (MaliceMizer @ Dec 8 2011 03:44am)
When I drowned & died I saw my father in hell.
hell = devil
devil = God
????
profit.


...

Some strange hallucinations brought on by a near death experience would definately not be enough to convert me.
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Dec 7 2011 09:50pm
Quote (Nanako_Chan @ 7 Dec 2011 22:47)
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Some strange hallucinations brought on by a near death experience would definately not be enough to convert me.


convert you from what?



It converted me from not giving a fuck to mild practice and 100% faith.
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Dec 7 2011 10:05pm
Quote (MaliceMizer @ Dec 8 2011 03:50am)
convert you from what?



It converted me from not giving a fuck to mild practice and 100% faith.


Convert me from nothing...

Convert me into a Christian.

If I hit my head and had a strange dream, why does it instantly mean that some transcendental entity is judging my every move.

And If you truly do believe... Then why bend knee to a genocidal maniac? Fear?

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Dec 7 2011 10:11pm
Quote (Nanako_Chan @ 7 Dec 2011 23:05)
Convert me from nothing...

Convert me into a Christian.

If I hit my head and had a strange dream, why does it instantly mean that some transcendental entity is judging my every move.

And If you truly do believe... Then why bend knee to a genocidal maniac? Fear?


Yup fear at first, but now deep respect and love.

If you hit your head and had a strange dream that makes you think differently then you are now, then you might believe then.?


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Dec 7 2011 10:16pm
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Yup fear at first, but now deep respect and love.

If you hit your head and had a strange dream that makes you think differently then you are now, then you might believe then.?


Deep respect and love for a being that, according to your religion, has killed billions of people because he doesn't agree with their views?

And even some just because he's god and he can...


And yes, if I hit my head hard enough... I might end up brain damaged and lose all logic and reason. But you're simply arguing that I have to be insane to believe in god doesn't help your case much.

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Dec 7 2011 10:22pm
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Deep respect and love for a being that, according to your religion, has killed billions of people because he doesn't agree with their views?

And even some just because he's god and he can...


And yes, if I hit my head hard enough... I might end up brain damaged and lose all logic and reason.


You're just repeating what I said there, God or Religion isn't about logic. If it was it would be science, not faith..


He never killed because he can,
He killed because they didn't follow him & thier views were 100% wrong, he actually only took the sinners off the planet unnaturally when they hinder someone else's ability to love him.
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Dec 7 2011 10:31pm
Quote (MaliceMizer @ Dec 8 2011 04:22am)
You're just repeating what I said there, God or Religion isn't about logic. If it was it would be science, not faith..

He never killed because he can,
He killed because they didn't follow him & thier views were 100% wrong, he actually only took the sinners off the planet unnaturally when they hinder someone else's ability to love him.


Right...

Let's start with the remark 'he never killed because he can'

He killed billions with his flood, He sent the angel of death to kill all the firstborn of egypt - Not to mention the numerous other things he did to the egyptians because his prophet didn't agree with the pharoah. Thousands and thousands of children - How can children be guilty of anything?

Second - He killed them because they didn't follow him and their views were 100% wrong. This is what we nowadays call a dictatorship, Saddam Hussein, Osama Bin Laden, Stalin, Hitler. All these people killed because people who didn't agree with their views.

Incidentally... their views being 100% wrong is again only an opinion.

Do what I say or die and burn forever in a fiery nasty pit of torture etc...

Doesn't sound like the words of someone to be loved. Or someone who loves you.

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Dec 7 2011 10:38pm
Quote (Nanako_Chan @ 7 Dec 2011 23:31)
Right...

Let's start with the remark 'he never killed because he can'

He killed billions with his flood, He sent the angel of death to kill all the firstborn of egypt - Not to mention the numerous other things he did to the egyptians because his prophet didn't agree with the pharoah. Thousands and thousands of children - How can children be guilty of anything?

Second - He killed them because they didn't follow him and their views were 100% wrong. This is what we nowadays call a dictatorship, Saddam Hussein, Osama Bin Laden, Stalin, Hitler. All these people killed because people who didn't agree with their views.

Do what I say or die and burn forever in a fiery nasty pit of torture etc...

Doesn't sound like the words of someone to be loved. Or someone who loves you.


Flood was because everyone had forgotten who he was & the ENTIRE world was wicked vs his one lover
Angel of death was slavers children - the other things were because the pharaoh wouldn't submit to God even though pharaoh acknowledged him. (typical warfare shit) if your childern were held as slaves you'd have people killed to free them as well.

It isn't a do what I say at all, at all, at all...
It's a love me or go to hell.
10 commandments have nothing to do with heaven or hell.


I'll answer more questions tomorrow, I have to get up in the morning :p
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