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Jun 10 2011 05:40pm
what do you guys think. I think it is hard to say because we would not know how the future is like without Religion
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Jun 10 2011 07:19pm
Well, considering a majority of the people who invented the most impacting technologies were religious, I'd have to say no.
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Jun 10 2011 07:24pm
medicine is hindered pretty well by religion.
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Jun 10 2011 11:13pm
Science is villified by some of the more extreme religous people; especially when it walks into their territory (evolution). To me, if i was religous i would see science as threat to my beliefs because hey, they could discover somthing that would completely shatter my current beliefs. So the only escape from that is to villify science and pretend that it doesnt do anything.

I dont think it hinders us all that much as a people since almost all genius inventions or scientific improvements have been made on secular grounds. Edison didnt invent the lightbulb in the name of god, or do so because he though it would help him get into heaven.

Though i see the point; without religoin, who knows how far we could advance. I would personally like to see religon diminish significantly; or at least the very extreme religous. I feel that we would be a lot better off if that happened.

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medicine is hindered pretty well by religion.


i wouldnt nessessarily say that. I see more people who attribute medical success to divine influence, which i think is of course stupid.

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Jun 10 2011 11:16pm
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Well, considering a majority of the people who invented the most impacting technologies were religious, I'd have to say no.


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Science is villified by some of the more extreme religous people; especially when it walks into their territory (evolution). To me, if i was religous i would see science as threat to my beliefs because hey, they could discover somthing that would completely shatter my current beliefs. So the only escape from that is to villify science and pretend that it doesnt do anything.

I dont think it hinders us all that much as a people since almost all genius inventions or scientific improvements have been made on secular grounds. Edison didnt invent the lightbulb in the name of god, or do so because he though it would help him get into heaven.

Though i see the point; without religoin, who knows how far we could advance. I would personally like to see religon diminish significantly; or at least the very extreme religous. I feel that we would be a lot better off if that happened.



i wouldnt nessessarily say that. I see more people who attribute medical success to divine influence, which i think is of course stupid.


can't even get a basic abortion without religion influencing laws to make it illegal.
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Jun 11 2011 07:34am
Except for Galileo’s time when it was considered Heresy to think that the Earth was not the center of the Universe, how has Modern Religion EVER hindered Science?

The Only remote Example I can think of at all would be Stem Cell Research. And this is not Religion per-se stopping the development; it is more like the idea that this will promote "Harvesting" of Unborn Babies to use like some twisted Matrix like Farm to grow organs.

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Well, considering a majority of the people who invented the most impacting technologies were religious, I'd have to say no.


Not sure if this is Valid, but "Many" were :)
Quote (Psycho- @ Jun 10 2011 08:24pm)
medicine is hindered pretty well by religion.


Ummm... No

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can't even get a basic abortion without religion influencing laws to make it illegal.


Huh? OK, you are an ingnorant Troll, LOL

This post was edited by FullArcFG on Jun 11 2011 07:35am
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Quote (Toothfariy @ Jun 11 2011 12:13am)
Science is villified by some of the more extreme religous people; especially when it walks into their territory (evolution). To me, if i was religous i would see science as threat to my beliefs because hey, they could discover somthing that would completely shatter my current beliefs. So the only escape from that is to villify science and pretend that it doesnt do anything.

I dont think it hinders us all that much as a people since almost all genius inventions or scientific improvements have been made on secular grounds. Edison didnt invent the lightbulb in the name of god, or do so because he though it would help him get into heaven.


Your first Comment is kind of a broad brush statment that is more inaccurate than accurate. It could also be said the "A small minority of religious people villify science" and that would be equaly correct. In Reality, Many Scientists hold Strong Religious Beliefs, and many do not. I think the only part of Science that people with religious belief are in opposion to is the idea that Life and the Universe are a cosmic co-incidence. One side thinks existence is meaningless and accidental, then other does not.

On your second comment I will go as far to say that NONE of the scientific discoveries were made in the name of God, or to help someone get into Heaven. Why would they be? Scientific Development has nothing to do with any Religious following. This shows a complete lack of knowledge of even the simplest concepts of religion.

Presently in Quantum Physics there is a split on String Theory, because it ventures into Theory that can never pass the muster of the Scientific Model. Because of this many Scientist argue that to continue along that path would turn Scientists into Priests, by insisting on faith in the theory rather than being observable. And String Theory has Absoulty Nothing to do with Religion at all.

Kind of like this Scientific Quote:

Questions of faith is whatever you actually believe it is. We take a lot of what we're talking about in science on faith. We posit a theory, and until it's disproven, we have faith that it's true. If the mathematics work out, then it's true. Until it's proven to be untrue...

A.k.a.
We were the center of the universe until it was proven that we were not

The world was flat, until it was proven that is was not

The Expansion of the universe was slowing down, until it was proven that it is not

Imagine what we KNOW today, that will be proven wrong tommorrow :P

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Jun 11 2011 08:31am
Quote (FullArcFG @ Jun 11 2011 08:34am)
Except for Galileo’s time when it was considered Heresy to think that the Earth was not the center of the Universe, how has Modern Religion EVER hindered Science?

The Only remote Example I can think of at all would be Stem Cell Research. And this is not Religion per-se stopping the development; it is more like the idea that this will promote "Harvesting" of Unborn Babies to use like some twisted Matrix like Farm to grow organs.



Not sure if this is Valid, but "Many" were :)


Ummm... No



Huh? OK, you are an ingnorant Troll, LOL


the idea that all human life is precious no matter what is nothing more than morality from religious beliefs passed down. negative religious influence is seen in all fields of science but it hits hard when it comes to the human body. abortions...human testing...organ transplants...gene manipulation...cloning...all see large amounts of religious attention. religious morality is always going to be a hindrance for the medical field.
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Jun 11 2011 09:01am
Quote (Toothfariy @ Jun 10 2011 11:13pm)
Science is villified by some of the more extreme religous people; especially when it walks into their territory (evolution). To me, if i was religous i would see science as threat to my beliefs because hey, they could discover somthing that would completely shatter my current beliefs. So the only escape from that is to villify science and pretend that it doesnt do anything.

I dont think it hinders us all that much as a people since almost all genius inventions or scientific improvements have been made on secular grounds. Edison didnt invent the lightbulb in the name of god, or do so because he though it would help him get into heaven.

Though i see the point; without religoin, who knows how far we could advance. I would personally like to see religon diminish significantly; or at least the very extreme religous. I feel that we would be a lot better off if that happened.



i wouldnt nessessarily say that. I see more people who attribute medical success to divine influence, which i think is of course stupid.


Your first part I don't believe is correct. If you are truly religious then you have faith that nothing like that will happen.
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