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Apr 4 2011 12:53pm
Can you prove or that a person has a soul, a person dosen't have a soul

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Disprove that a person has a soul.


Looking for peoples oppion and agruments.
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Apr 4 2011 01:30pm
no more than you can prove or disprove invisible butt aliens. its another thing tied into faith that you either believe in or don't.
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Apr 4 2011 01:35pm
Quote (mike1234545 @ Apr 4 2011 12:53pm)
Can you prove or that a person has a soul, a person dosen't have a soul

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Disprove that a person has a soul.


Looking for peoples oppion and agruments.


im sure through quantom physics they will soon be able to determine evidence towards one side or another.
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Apr 4 2011 01:37pm
sorry... double post on accident.

This post was edited by cletus7seven on Apr 4 2011 01:37pm
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Apr 4 2011 01:38pm
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im sure through quantom physics they will soon be able to determine evidence towards one side or another.


i'm sure you're wrong lol.
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Apr 4 2011 01:49pm
Can you prove or disprove that the entire universe sprang into existence 1 second ago, and all objects in it were placed to appear older and all people in it only have memories of existing longer?
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Apr 4 2011 08:09pm
don't believe in it but...

Doctor MacDougall postulated the soul was material and therefore had mass and that a measurable drop in the weight of the deceased would be noted at the moment that their spiritual essence parted ways with the physical remains.

Dr. MacDougall was seeking to determine if the psychological functions of the mind continue to exist as a separate individuality or personality after the death of brain and physical body. To determine this Dr. MacDougall fabricated a special bed in his office which was constructed of a lightweight framework built upon a very delicately balanced platform of beam scales which were sensitive to two-tenths of an ounce.

To begin his experiment Dr. MacDougall recruited six volunteers who were in the final stages of terminal illnesses. Four of these patients were dying from tuberculosis, one from diabetes, and one from unspecified causes. Dr. MacDougall then started a process in which he observed them before, during, and after the process of death during which time he measured any corresponding changes in weight.

In a portion of Doctor MacDougall’s notes we find that he attempted to eliminate as many physiological explanations for the observed results as he could conceive:

“The patient's comfort was looked after in every way, although he was practically moribund when placed upon the bed. He lost weight slowly at the rate of one ounce per hour due to evaporation of moisture in respiration and evaporation of sweat. During all three hours and forty minutes I kept the beam end slightly above balance near the upper limiting bar in order to make the test more decisive if it should come.
At the end of three hours and forty minutes he expired and suddenly, coincident with death, the beam end dropped with an audible stroke hitting against the lower limiting bar and remaining there with no rebound. The loss was ascertained to be three-fourths of an ounce.”
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Apr 4 2011 08:12pm
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don't believe in it but...

  Doctor MacDougall postulated the soul was material and therefore had mass and that a measurable drop in the weight of the deceased would be noted at the moment that their spiritual essence parted ways with the physical remains.

                Dr. MacDougall was seeking to determine if the psychological functions of the mind continue to exist as a separate individuality or personality after the death of brain and physical body. To determine this Dr. MacDougall fabricated a special bed in his office which was constructed of a lightweight framework built upon a very delicately balanced platform of beam scales which were sensitive to two-tenths of an ounce.

                To begin his experiment Dr. MacDougall recruited six volunteers who were in the final stages of terminal illnesses. Four of these patients were dying from tuberculosis, one from diabetes, and one from unspecified causes. Dr. MacDougall then started a process in which he observed them before, during, and after the process of death during which time he measured any corresponding changes in weight.

                In a portion of Doctor MacDougall’s notes we find that he attempted to eliminate as many physiological explanations for the observed results as he could conceive:

                “The patient's comfort was looked after in every way, although he was practically moribund when placed upon the bed. He lost weight slowly at the rate of one ounce per hour due to evaporation of moisture in respiration and evaporation of sweat. During all three hours and forty minutes I kept the beam end slightly above balance near the upper limiting bar in order to make the test more decisive if it should come.
At the end of three hours and forty minutes he expired and suddenly, coincident with death, the beam end dropped with an audible stroke hitting against the lower limiting bar and remaining there with no rebound. The loss was ascertained to be three-fourths of an ounce.”


Yeah they made light a hole movie on something like that. I think it was called six ounces lighter? Idk
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Apr 7 2011 02:52pm
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don't believe in it but...

  Doctor MacDougall postulated the soul was material and therefore had mass and that a measurable drop in the weight of the deceased would be noted at the moment that their spiritual essence parted ways with the physical remains.

                Dr. MacDougall was seeking to determine if the psychological functions of the mind continue to exist as a separate individuality or personality after the death of brain and physical body. To determine this Dr. MacDougall fabricated a special bed in his office which was constructed of a lightweight framework built upon a very delicately balanced platform of beam scales which were sensitive to two-tenths of an ounce.

                To begin his experiment Dr. MacDougall recruited six volunteers who were in the final stages of terminal illnesses. Four of these patients were dying from tuberculosis, one from diabetes, and one from unspecified causes. Dr. MacDougall then started a process in which he observed them before, during, and after the process of death during which time he measured any corresponding changes in weight.

                In a portion of Doctor MacDougall’s notes we find that he attempted to eliminate as many physiological explanations for the observed results as he could conceive:

                “The patient's comfort was looked after in every way, although he was practically moribund when placed upon the bed. He lost weight slowly at the rate of one ounce per hour due to evaporation of moisture in respiration and evaporation of sweat. During all three hours and forty minutes I kept the beam end slightly above balance near the upper limiting bar in order to make the test more decisive if it should come.
At the end of three hours and forty minutes he expired and suddenly, coincident with death, the beam end dropped with an audible stroke hitting against the lower limiting bar and remaining there with no rebound. The loss was ascertained to be three-fourths of an ounce.”


That proves only one thing... That having Dr. in front of your name dosen't make you automatically clever.
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Apr 7 2011 03:16pm
dont think there woulld be a way to disprove this. proving it seems like it would be tought, maybe impossible. say for instance there is/was a creator who was able to gurantee we would never find out whether we have a soul or not then, well, you get it...
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