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Jan 9 2011 11:06pm
i am unsure on my beliefs however i am open to viewing both sides, basically what i want is people to explain to me (basically convince me) whyi should believe in creationism or evolution, tell me the facts the arguements etc. thanks
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Jan 9 2011 11:09pm
Creationism is wrong.

If you want me to tell you what to think about any other issues a pm will do just fine.
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Jan 9 2011 11:11pm
The bible is all about Jesus.

The Old Testament is all about the prophesying of His coming.

The New Testament is all about His life and ministry.

The book of Revelation is all about His second coming in the near future, to make right this evil and corrupt world.

Jesus is the Risen King. The first and the last.

"I Am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No one can come to the Father, but through Me." -Jesus
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Jan 9 2011 11:46pm
As far as creationism and evolution go... Well what if there is a third option?

Seek truth.
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Jan 9 2011 11:46pm
Quote (Torm1 @ Jan 10 2011 12:11am)
The bible is all about Jesus.

The Old Testament is all about the prophesying of His coming.

The New Testament is all about His life and ministry.

The book of Revelation is all about His second coming in the near future, to make right this evil and corrupt world.

Jesus is the Risen King. The first and the last.

"I Am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No one can come to the Father, but through Me." -Jesus


i understand the testaments, but some facts to persuade me one way or the other would be fantastic.
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Jan 9 2011 11:51pm
We are mammals that probably evolved from monkeys. Religion is just for weak minded people IMO. But honestly I doubt that you could fit two of every animal on an ark considering ANIMALS ...like to EAT other ANIMALS!!!! It's all bullshit.
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Jan 9 2011 11:53pm
Evolution is based on an overwhelming mass of surrounding evidence and its postulates are constantly updated by nearly all of the scientific community that analyze the implications leading up to life as we know it now.

Creationism is based on a book writen in the Bronze Age called The Bible and is only speculation based off that "evidence" alone.

It is likely that while it is nearly impossible if not completely impossible to know the origins of life, life likely started off by a sort of pool of precursors to life. These are amino acid chains and lipids, which are found in the non-organic world. This soup was likely subjected to some kind of heat, perhaps a strike of lightning. This enegrized these chains and they became what we might consider to be alive. These were merely single celled organisms, and no where near as complex as most of the life we know today. You must understand that these organisms were not self aware, did not have any cognition and had no instincts of any kind. From there it was split and the first self replication began. It could have split because of physical influences from the non-organic world, such as rocks shifting, or gravitiy, or any number of things of the like. Then from there, the strong organisms, or the ones that survived the desolate world that was at the time, they lived on and could pass their strengths down to their offspring. This is the process of natural selection, or survival of the fittest.

From there, they became multicellular and the process continued ad infidium. Of course this precursor phase took a LONG time, talking in the ballpark of millions of years. Life may have began many many times and been destoryed. However, the strong ones that survived evolved and werent as frail.

So then as natural selection kept on its course, and life began to become more complex, life was closer to what we see today. Small organisms grew bigger and bigger and more complex. Then you saw things like insects, then you saw bigger and even more complex things like reptiles or birds. And you get the point.

Evolution can be seen and observed time and time again, but it does admit its own short comings. We do not know and do not claim to know the exact origins of life on this planet. No human and know this, and its near impossible to ever know for sure. What we do know, is based of logical conjecture of the apparent nature of the organic world around us.

Also one of the problems with creationism falls with its timeline of lifes existance. Its somthing like 4,000 years, which is no where close to the millions upon millions of years that we can acurately measure that life have existed through methods of radioactive dating, where we measure the radioactive decay and it shows us the approximate age of a particular fossil or what have you. We know this planet and the sun are much older than that too. Plus, ive made this point many many many times; God could not have be the origin of existance, because for one, he himself would have no origin, and also, since in the hypothetical universe of nonexistance, creation would have been impossible, even if god existed in that. He did not have time to do so. Creation is an action that requires causality which demands time. Without it, creation is impossible. There is no time duration meaning everything was always here and was instantanious. So God did not even need to create existance, since its obviously always been here.

This whole issue basically boils down to wheather you're religous or not. I dont think any intelligent person can deny the process of natural selection, but the contraversey is in the origin of said life. It is alright to say that you do not know. This is once again another case where religon has the burden of proof, since evolution does not claim to have the definitive answer to the origin of life. Since creationism is asserting the claim, it is up to them to show actual valid scientific data to support their position. Best ive ever seen is passages from the bible. Not very convincing and not even close to scientifically valid.



tl;dr version; evolution makes sense. scientists moslty agree with it, its postulates are backed by observable evidence. Creationism is based off the bible and thats about it.

This post was edited by Toothfariy on Jan 9 2011 11:54pm
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We are mammals that probably evolved from monkeys. Religion is just for weak minded people IMO. But honestly I doubt that you could fit two of every animal on an ark considering ANIMALS ...like to EAT other ANIMALS!!!! It's all bullshit.




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Jan 10 2011 12:41am
If you've a mind for science/logic, you should really believe in Evolution. That's where ALL of the evidence is, without exception.
If you distrust science (for some reason), then you should believe in Creationism.

That's really what it boils down to.
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This is science and technology not myths and fairy tales.
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