He's talking about classical optics textbooks, duh. Nice how you inflated that to all books.

But he's also not saying Michio is saying that - He's talking about the Nature of Science, that it not the ultimate truth, that it is simply the best truth that we know for the time. Things change, this is how Science grows. Im sure Science doesn't have everything irrefutable, Science learns all the time.

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he cited the time stamp, not me


no shit sherlock

So why are you so upset if someone refutes a part of science, by its nature - not questioning some small part or aspect of it, is frankly, not scientific.
Is there such a thing as scientific dogma? The first rule of scientific club, don't question any science ever.

This post was edited by card_sultan on Mar 3 2016 10:32am

Question it all you like, but don't lie about it.

questioning =/= lying.

right, but this is:

your ability to take things out of context, make inaccurate assumptions and have them ping around your brain until you see them as blatant lies enabling you to make pure strawman arguments?

like your quoting "they are trying to open a portal to another dimension" - I clearly explained that is what nutter christians are saying and I'm just simply saying it to show how crazy they are about science. You really need to relax man.

or how about "theories are merely debateable" - so do you have an issue with that? Do you think they are ideas that are carved in stone? How is this a lie?

I wouldn't be surprised if in 10,000 years every single theory in science will be proved wrong and it will totally be updated with new theories and everyone will be like, those poor cavemen people, how did they survive being so stupid?

This post was edited by card_sultan on Mar 3 2016 07:33pm

The purpose of science is to predict the state of a system at time b, given the state of the system at time a. A theory is a model used to do this. It does not require proof, debate, or even to provide an explanation: it just needs to predict the state of the system at time b given the state at time a. It is a tool, nothing else. When a different tool comes along that does a better job, you use that one.

You keep saying theories are going to be proved wrong. Not a single theory has ever been proved to be right or wrong, and they never will. You don't understand what proof is, and you don't understand what a theory is.

Actually, you don't understand what a theory is if you think questioning any aspect of it surmounts to lies. I like where you say theories dont require proof
Are you confusing an hypothesis with a theory?

noun, plural theories.
1.
a coherent group of tested general propositions, commonly regarded as correct, that can be used as principles of explanation and prediction for a class of phenomena:
Einstein's theory of relativity.
Synonyms: principle, law, doctrine.
2.
a proposed explanation whose status is still conjectural and subject to experimentation, in contrast to well-established propositions that are regarded as reporting matters of actual fact.
Synonyms: idea, notion hypothesis, postulate.
Antonyms: practice, verification, corroboration, substantiation.
3.
Mathematics. a body of principles, theorems, or the like, belonging to one subject:
number theory.
4.
the branch of a science or art that deals with its principles or methods, as distinguished from its practice:
music theory.

This post was edited by card_sultan on Mar 3 2016 07:41pm