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Nov 4 2012 09:55am
Quote (Eti_fr @ Nov 4 2012 09:52am)
I agree, this book actually explains how to really think for yourself... when you actually need to think (not often).
The problem is : you may think that you think for yourself, but it is most likely a lie from your mind.


wait i'm confused

is there a distinction between my mind and myself? i thought my mind was me
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Nov 4 2012 10:07am
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wait i'm confused

is there a distinction between my mind and myself? i thought my mind was me


Very good question... You are not your mind, you are the spirit listening to your mind and your 5 senses.
We have been educated to believe we are our minds, but we are more than this.
I could develop much, but the best explanation you can find (at least the best I could find) is in The Present http://www.truthcontest.com/entries/the-present-universal-truth/ page 6 (but I recommand you to read the 5 first page before the page 6).

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Very good question... You are not your mind, you are the spirit listening to your mind and your 5 senses.
We have been educated to believe we are our minds, but we are more than this.
I could develop much, but the best explanation you can find (at least the best I could find) is in The Present http://www.truthcontest.com/entries/the-present-universal-truth/ page 6 (but I recommand you to read the 5 first page before the page 6).


fallacious premise... why can't my mind be listening to itself
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Nov 4 2012 10:17am
never mind that whole website is ridiculous. don't mind me
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Nov 4 2012 10:24am
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fallacious premise... why can't my mind be listening to itself


Your mind is actually doing so much "noise", that it seem to be listening to itself... but it is not.

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Your two selves: Most people are not aware of the fact that they have two different selves. You have a mind and a spirit (consciousness), and though they seem like one thing, they are separate. The way to realize that this is true is to realize that something has to be listening to the thoughts created by your mind.

What is it that hears your thoughts?

There is the part of you that thinks and the part that hears the thoughts. The thinking part is your mind; the part that hears the thoughts is your spiritual-self. You do not actually hear thoughts through your ears, because your mind is already inside your head. The point is, your spiritual-self receives the things the mind creates in a similar way to hearing them.

Check it out: Just ask yourself, what is it that is hearing the thoughts you are thinking right now?

It is your spiritual-self, the same thing that receives all life.


I you prefer, what is it that hear the beautiful music you like, or the good food you like... ? It is surely not your mind.

You gotta admit something is wrong with this society... And this society is composed with human beings like you and me.
Most of our problems come from this missunderstanding of the mind.

Edit : By the way you just told me : "never mind"... that is actually the advice I am giving to you... literally never mind when you do not have to (most of the time).

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Your mind is actually doing so much "noise", that it seem to be listening to itself... but it is not.



I you prefer, what is it that hear the beautiful music you like, or the good food you like... ? It is surely not your mind.

You gotta admit something is wrong with this society... And this society is composed with human beings like you and me.
Most of our problems come from this missunderstanding of the mind.


What? You're just saying things. How do you know my mind is just making noise?

How do you know my mind doesn't govern my preferences?

How do you know "misunderstanding of the mind" drives the problems of society?

How do you know anything you're saying?

From what logic are you driving any of this nonsense? Or is it a hopeful shot in the dark?

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What? You're just saying things. How do you know my mind is just making noise?

How do you know my mind doesn't govern my preferences?

How do you know "misunderstanding of the mind" drives the problems of society?

How do you know anything you're saying?

From what logic are you driving any of this nonsense? Or is it a hopeful shot in the dark?


Actually, I can not know what happens in your head... you are right about that, but I have been there (governed by my mind), and I know how the mind works.
I have plenty of proofs that we should free our mind... first that comes in my mind is a quote from Bob Marley I already post here : "Emancipate yourselves from mental slavery, none but ourselves can free our minds"... an other exemple that comes to my mind is the movie Matrix...
About the problems of society, I know this missunderstanding drives most of our problems because that is the root of the division of society. Religions, cultures, politics... everything is divided because people do not realize we are more than our minds. We are all brothers and sisters from the same specie, we are all spiritual beings.
What logic ? Well, when all proofs go in one direction, and there is 0 proof it is not true, then it must be the truth.
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Nov 4 2012 10:45am
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Actually, I can not know what happens in your head... you are right about that, but I have been there (governed by my mind), and I know how the mind works.
I have plenty of proofs that we should free our mind... first that comes in my mind is a quote from Bob Marley I already post here : "Emancipate yourselves from mental slavery, none but ourselves can free our minds"... an other exemple that comes to my mind is the movie Matrix...
About the problems of society, I know this missunderstanding drives most of our problems because that is the root of the division of society. Religions, cultures, politics... everything is divided because people do not realize we are more than our minds. We are all brothers and sisters from the same specie, we are all spiritual beings.
What logic ? Well, when all proofs go in one direction, and there is 0 proof it is not true, then it must be the truth.


Woah woah woah since when is quoting a musician or a movie a proof?

Fine, I'm a musician, and my friend is too, and we both unanimously agree that, "everything here said is bullshit." - Alex Miller, Keith Hanson

Another popular quote taken directly from The Matrix: Reloaded, "Bullshit." - Neo

Come on man, you're just jabbering about with no real evidence or thought. Your evidence is, "I believe in this notion. I have found quotes that I can squeeze into my definition of this notion." You don't have rationale behind it. You're just saying it. You can't explain it; you can just repeat it.

And now for a relevant quote from one of my favorite minds, Albert Einstein, "A man should look for what is and not for what he thinks should be."
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Nov 4 2012 10:54am
Quote (Derkaderk @ 4 Nov 2012 18:45)
Woah woah woah since when is quoting a musician or a movie a proof?

Fine, I'm a musician, and my friend is too, and we both unanimously agree that, "everything here said is bullshit." - Alex Miller, Keith Hanson

Another popular quote taken directly from The Matrix: Reloaded, "Bullshit." - Neo

Come on man, you're just jabbering about with no real evidence or thought. Your evidence is, "I believe in this notion. I have found quotes that I can squeeze into my definition of this notion." You don't have rationale behind it. You're just saying it. You can't explain it; you can just repeat it.

And now for a relevant quote from one of my favorite minds, Albert Einstein, "A man should look for what is and not for what he thinks should be."


When people explain it better than me (because they are more aware of the truth/life), why is it bad to quote them ?
It is just the first 2 exemples I had in mind, but I could find you much more... if it was worth my time... it is not because I know you will not listen to me anyway, you told it yourself "don't mind me".
As I told you "the best explanation you can find (at least the best I could find) is in The Present"
If you really want words from myself, read my blog here : http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=64459387&f=276
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Nov 4 2012 10:56am
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When people explain it better than me (because they are more aware of the truth/life), why is it bad to quote them ?
It is just the first 2 exemples I had in mind, but I could find you much more... if it was worth my time... it is not because I know you will not listen to me anyway, you told it yourself "don't mind me".
As I told you "the best explanation you can find (at least the best I could find) is in The Present"
If you really want words from myself, read my blog here : http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=64459387&f=276

You're free to post quotes all day every day, but it's still all philosophical feel-good bullshit.
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