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Nov 18 2011 02:47pm
The same party repeats the experiments, gets same result

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-15791236

awaiting others to replicate
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Nov 18 2011 04:02pm
Quote (Ocen @ Nov 18 2011 02:47pm)
The same party repeats the experiments, gets same result

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-15791236

awaiting others to replicate


http://www.science20.com/quantum_diaries_survivor/opera_confirms_neutrinos_travel_faster_light-84763

"It is necessary here to note that since distance from source to detector and time offsets necessary to determine the travel time of neutrinos have not been remeasured, the related systematics (estimated as well as -possibly- underestimated ones) are unchanged. The measurement therefore is only a "partial" confirmation of the earlier result: it is consistent with it, but could be just as wrong as the other. "

from a different article on the same experiment
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Nov 22 2011 06:41pm
At one point we thought the earth was the center of the universe.


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Thats why not being able to go faster than the speed of light was a theory.
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At one point we thought the earth was the center of the universe.


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Thats why not being able to go faster than the speed of light was a theory.

You don't seem to understand what it means for something to be a theory. You're aware that "Microorganisms are what make us sick" is a theory too, right? It's called Germ Theory.
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Quote (Confoozled @ Nov 23 2011 03:41am)
At one point we thought the earth was the center of the universe.


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Thats why not being able to go faster than the speed of light was a theory.


seriously, please do know something about the topic before making such statements. Those two points are nowhere near analogous to each other. The first is some random, unjustified idea, while the second is a theory on which delicate appliances are based.

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http://www.science20.com/quantum_diaries_survivor/opera_confirms_neutrinos_travel_faster_light-84763

"It is necessary here to note that since distance from source to detector and time offsets necessary to determine the travel time of neutrinos have not been remeasured, the related systematics (estimated as well as -possibly- underestimated ones) are unchanged. The measurement therefore is only a "partial" confirmation of the earlier result: it is consistent with it, but could be just as wrong as the other. "

from a different article on the same experiment


well, obviously the 2nd round they double-checked the lab setup, so chances for a systematic error to occur is smaller, yet the same systematic result is obtained. At least we know it's HIGHLY improbable to be caused by random error, and that the probability for this to actually be true is higher.

Best way to approach this is openness with a slight flavour of skepticism. Is speed of light the limit? Probably yes, but possibly not.

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Nov 23 2011 04:35pm
Einstein is a dumbass.
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No comments on the article? No one is concerned that the experiment had a fundamental flaw that not only keeps Einstein's theories intact but actually strengthens them?

Sigh... Where are all the pseudo-physicists? Let's go kids, retract your claims.

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Einstein is a dumbass.


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Well shoot. Gotta wait for the independent verification, of course, but that's nuts.


Yea that is nuts.
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