Quote (Toothfariy @ Dec 20 2010 06:25pm)

Yea i agree

However, prematurely releasing this into the market without any confirmation of safety is irresponsible to say the least.
They need to be tested before we release this worldwide. It MUST be shown safe to consume. It wouldnt be as much of a problem if this was reverseable.

The UK rejects GM food altogether. Even after the earthquakes in Haiti, Monsanto offered them to start using GM foods since most of their food was destroyed; and they completely refused
I dont think organic food will work out perfect, but its a hell of a lot better. and ne way, farming is us controling nature

Im a big fan of taking unnessessary risk

@edit: There have been no HUMAN safety trials. We are the expirment right now. They never had any kind of documented human feeding trials. For some reason the FDA completely bypassed that procedure when these we made legal. That is a huge part of the problem

What we do know is that most of the things that happen to rats, is proportional to humans. If its causing disease in a complex organism, chances are it is going to have an effect on almost all similar organisms.
Its a no brainer too

Pesticide absorption in the plant is transfered to the food and we eat that. Our bodies absorbs everythig it can from the food, good and bad. Its up to the liver to detoxify these things, however it doesnt happen so much because of thing called Total Load. With all the toxicity we all are exposed to, our livers are overloaded and cant possibly handle all of this. Also that these toxins are fat soluable, meaning they are stored in our fat cells, which are not used until glycogen and protien reserves have been depleted. It is extremely hard to pull toxins out of the adipose tissue in our bodies. Cellular toxicity has been documented that it will cause maladaptive cellular behavior and lead to things like cancer, advanced oxidative stress, etc

We know that the promoters they use to make the plants can turn on a whole host of genes. That has been documented by Monsanto themselves. Plus since this whole process is very delicate, they must douse them in antibiotics to make sure then gene can get into the cells and stay. Then they attach an ARM gene (anti resistant marker gene) which will show if the cells got the genes.

All the while, these plants are depending on commerical fertilizers, which only focus on 3 elements. Nitrogen, Phosperous, and Potassium; The NPK Numbers. These are the essential building blocks for the plant to be able to survive. After a few growing seasons, when the trace minreals and other organic compounds are not replenished into the soil, the plants wont absorb those because they're not available any more. That is how organic food is much more nutrient dense.

Quote (Psycho- @ 20 Dec 2010 17:45)

at the end of the day though we are stuck with what we have and are at the mercy of others to change it. if you think its important then grow your own food sources how you want because thats the only logical solution to the problem if you don't trust current methods. i'm all for natural things but as humans we defy nature at every chance we get and no one can see the future or account for technological advancement when they made decisions.

i would love to have a garden and livestock of my own that i could sustain but its not realistic in todays world for people to do since farming is a full time job and very risky to do without extensive knowledge of methods and a lot of luck.

i'm fine with GM foods because they are what they are for now and to crucify them based on incomplete knowledge isn't productive towards either end. the day will come when these worries are either proven false or proven right and we can only hope to deal with it as it comes because not everything goes ideally.

Quote (lone500 @ 20 Dec 2010 17:33)

it all just makes me thankful this i have good food to eat unlike most everyone.

Quote (Toothfariy @ Dec 20 2010 06:51pm)

unfortunatly we are at the mercy of others. Of those incharge of all this

I feel very strongly about my position. Its my very educated opinion that we are headed for bad things. Its my hope that people like me can get the people in charge to do the humane and logical thing, which is to test these more extensively and perfect these.

There is no doubt in my mind that organic food is the way to go; at least for now.
The problem with saying my knowledge on the subject is incomplete, is that no one has complete knowledge of this. The safety testing on humans simply has not been conducted ever.

This is a definate case of risk assessment, and the evidence lies heavily on the side of the organic movement.

and believe it or not, its rly not that hard to grow ur own food. Its very easy to learn the principals of how to do it. I got 5 apple trees, a few blackberry bushes, a few peach trees and a garden full of vegetables. I cant obviously grow ALL my own food, but i can still do some



wut?

Quote (Psycho- @ 20 Dec 2010 17:59)

you have to consider that if you plan on not eating GM foods you have to move away from everything you buy at the grocery store pretty much. you need to grow enough food to completely food your family which includes animals along with making ends meet in day to day things like electric bills and such. even to farm enough food for a single family is a very time consuming thing and it doesn't fit most peoples lives without them giving up a lot of their freedoms and comforts.

either way the majority ends up relying on others for their food and if the organic sector runs into a crop killing disease that GM foods are protected again than everyone will be back to GM foods. its simply too much to expect to go right.

Quote (Toothfariy @ Dec 20 2010 07:22pm)

Yes, you do have to be careful what you buy at the store. That is a general health promoting thing to do anyway tho

There is somthing from the USDA called Certified Organic. This is a label that is applied to any food that is non GMO, no pesticides, herbicides, no fertilizers or anything of the like in the food.

I grow some food just for fun, and i dont really have to keep them up since after about 3 years, then tree just sustains itself very well. Im not at all saying that everyone needs to do that.

What im saying is that organic farming practices should be much more widespread. The problem with the GM food protection is that they will be affected just like organic. We would be pretty much developing a new crop to match the crop killing mutation of the bacteria. In otherwords, we are vaccinating our food. That will pretty much destroy all of the plants natural defenses

I dont have a problem with the idea of the technology, but i do have a big problem with out the technology is being used, and how unsafe it is

Quote (Psycho- @ 20 Dec 2010 18:40)

its less dangerous than a lot of things in our lives. its still pretty scifi so ofcourse people naturally think its dangerous even without proof. GM foods will only become safer just like every other endeavor it takes time and practice to get it completely right. the organic market is progressively growing at ~20% growth but thats 20% of 2-4% of all farmers so even at what appears to be large growth its actually a very small number. by the time organic foods become a major player GM foods will have progressed greatly. we can only wait and see what will happen but judging by how rapidly things advance these days we should have many doubts put to rest about GM foods in the future.

Quote (Toothfariy @ Dec 20 2010 07:45pm)

Yeah, but i do have proof and i do believe they are dangerous
Also i would hope they are working on making them safe, but for now they're not safe

I could honestly care less about things being "all natural", what i care about is how this stuff supports my body. If it destroys my body, i dont want it. If it builds my body, supports detoxification, decreases total load, and heals my body, then thats the one i want. That just happens to be organic food

If they do become safe and its proven, then ill be for them; but until then, i will fully support organic food as much as i can

Quote (Psycho- @ 20 Dec 2010 19:00)

again things have just shown signs that it could be harmful no one has ever been harmed because of GM foods at this point. there have been many more studies that indicate GM foods do not cause problems and many of the studies that said they do cause problems have been very flawed.

GM food has done nothing bad to us in 15 years and to say in the future it will is pure speculation.

Quote (Toothfariy @ Dec 20 2010 08:07pm)

here we go again...

Like i said before, we are in the first generation of GM foods. Its not til the 2nd and 3rd generations that very noticable problems occur.
I have not read a single study showing safety of GM foods

It is very reasonable spectulation based off a lot of research. I would rather sit on the side of caution than take a risk that cannot be undone.

and if you're going to start asserting those claims again, for the love of god, provide a god damn source