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Oct 17 2009 02:04pm
Quote (wouldbe @ Mon, Aug 24 2009, 10:22am)
1) it would take longer than 13 billion years from the singularity for mankind to evolve from rocks

2) how our planet supports and sustains life is rather suspicious. everything from how water recycles, to oxygen production, to the atmosphere's protection, it's all too coincidentally perfect.

objectively speaking, it would be more unbelieveable that there isn't a higher being who made it all. everything about how the universe works suggests that it was designed to support life, somewhere.


imo there are to many planets, solar systems, places where life could possibly start it would be more unbeilevable for life not to have started without a higher being. if we had evolved a completely different way people would most likely find it equally as suspicious.
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Quote (wouldbe @ Wed, Aug 26 2009, 05:18am)
not trolling anyone.  as the astrophysicist paul davies said, the impression of design is overwhelming.


so if someTHING is the creator , its not that bullshit "god" idiots believe in all around the world

your point ?

This post was edited by HeLiCaL on Oct 19 2009 01:31pm
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so if someTHING is the creator , its not that bullshit "god" idiots believe in all around the world


Where's your proof? You only say that because you don't WANT it to be true, because you are intolerant of ideas contrary to your own.
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Oct 20 2009 04:23pm
Quote (Sioux @ Mon, Aug 24 2009, 09:16am)
O RLY.

If our world is perfect, how come I can think of half a dozen ways it could be better and more efficient?


Yeah no kidding
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Oct 20 2009 04:41pm
Quote (juliusjuice @ Fri, Oct 16 2009, 09:18pm)
research entropy and the second law of thermodynamics, then come back and argue more

over such unimaginable amounts of time, the almost impossible eventually will happen. a good example is throwing all of the pages of war and peace into the air. eventually they will land in the correct order, though could take a very very long time if it is possible, it will happen. kind of like the way everything on our planet works out.


Actually, entropy would suggest that while the impossible could happen, it's infinitely improbable that it would. Arguing entropy is far more supportive of the existence of a God than not.

It's like you have a spaceship with an airlock full of atmosphere, with a door leading to the vacuum of space. Entropy tells you that the mass of air is chaotic, because there is a near-infinite number of configurations in which all of the oxygen atoms are colliding and wiggling and the door opens and one atom moves to fill a single wiggling atom's previously occupied space, and soon the entire mass is unstable and zooming into the vacuum. There is a possibility that you open the door, and the atmosphere in the room remains exactly where it is, but for that to occur, there is only a single configuration in which every atom in the room remains stable and non-volatile and manages to remain where it is, and just a single tiniest interaction can push the whole system to chaos.

With the googolplex of possibilities where the mass does chaotically escape, the chance of all of the air remaining in the airlock is astronomically small, so improbable that you could run through the duration of existence trillions of times, and it would likely never happen, but it's one unimaginably small possibility. For even the simplest of lifeforms to manifest, it would take millions or billions of these incredibly unlikely events to occur in approximately 14 billion years. The unlikelihood of such a extravagant chain of events occurring perfectly in a way that such intelligent and complex life has occurred is nothing short of a miracle. Even a single perfect event occurring as one of the billions of steps required for life to manifest is so mindblowingly improbable, that I could only see the entire series of events occurring if there were some intelligent being guiding it along.
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Oct 21 2009 05:25am
isn't ''god" lead us to science?
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Where's your proof? You only say that because you don't WANT it to be true, because you are intolerant of ideas contrary to your own.


lol? i have "if" in my post , does this not show that im NOT prooving anything ?
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Quote (HeLiCaL @ Wed, Oct 21 2009, 03:05pm)
lol? i have "if" in my post , does this not show that im NOT prooving anything ?


But then you said "its not that bullshit "god" idiots believe in all around the world"

That is a concrete statement. You're saying that in that case, it "IS NOT" that God. Where's the proof?
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Oct 21 2009 10:12pm
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But then you said "its not that bullshit "god" idiots believe in all around the world"

That is a concrete statement. You're saying that in that case, it "IS NOT" that God. Where's the proof?


proof is the bible which says earth was created 6k years ago

so anyone who believes the is a person who looks over everything you do and who is going to send you to hell needs to grow up
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Oct 25 2009 11:34am
6k years ago? U mean 600milion years ago, 6k years ago there where people already forming small citys,

I personally belive that science wont lead to God, becouse there is not God as in a person or a thing, its whole unknown nothing that is impossible to find out,
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