He already posted scholarly credible sources, you stupid fuck. Learn to read or gtfo.

Thank you

I am done arguing with this moron

http://www.responsibletechnology.org/gmo-basics/faqs

this is one of his own links.

it clearly says nothing has ever shown that gm foods are harmful.

Haven't people been eating GM foods without any ill effect?

The biotech industry says that millions have been eating GM foods without ill effect. This is misleading. No one monitors human health impacts of GM foods. If the foods were creating health problems in the US population, it might take years or decades before we identified the cause.

like i said..hes the one making shit up and linking stuff that disproves the stuff hes trying to say. hes said how many times now GM food is for sure harming us? his own source says that we don't know.

LOL

you must realize what he means by that

For one, if you read other things on that website, or further points about health impact that ive made, you would see that studies out of Harvard showed that rats fed GM food werent affected until the 2nd and 3rd generation. At that point, some became infertile, some went blind, developed lesions, gave birth to bags of water, etc etc. Most of the 3rd generation rats lived much shorter than the control group, and almost every one of them were sterile.

Now that being said, we are still in the first generation of GM. We havent noticed any significant effects yet because this isnt like the flu, which causes acute sypmtoms. This is somthing like cardiovascular disease where it is a long term cumulative effect that starts to cause problems. The problem is, the FDA and the companies pushing this technology fail to recognize these studies and impacts on health. For the CDC to discover the cause of this, it would take a long time to do, especially because the symptoms are going to very diverse.

And its even funnier u would try to show that as an example of me being a hypocrite when you have aknowledged many times that GM food have a negative impact on health.

I am still waiting on your sources

Since i know you're going to claim im dodging; here are a few sources for health impacts
http://www.i-sis.org.uk/GmMaizeReducesMiceFertility.php
http://www.truth-out.org/1215091
http://www.laht.com/article.asp?ArticleId=331718&CategoryId=14093
http://www.i-sis.org.uk/GMDangerousFutile.php
http://www.responsibletechnology.org/frenchstudy-jan2009

Also i will invite you to read the book Seeds of Deception by Jeffery Smith.

This post was edited by Toothfariy on Dec 20 2010 04:38pm

its clearly obvious that eating something that definitively been shown to have higher pesticide content is going to be worse for you, but its not even close to what you are trying to claim. you ever think the FDA doesn't acknowledge the studies because they really don't show anything? The FDA isn't as childish as you want to believe. they have many many people working there that understand these things on a much higher level than me or you so..either admit you think the government is out to get us or that you are more intelligent than all those who say they are fine. either way you are being stupid.

You're right, i obviously dont know better than a large group of objective third party PhD biologists and epidemiologists. But there is OVERWHELMING research to show how bad these are. Do not get into this arguentment with me, you will lose so hard. You do not have any understanding of biochemistry or how genetic engineering actually works.
Ive said it before; the FDA has time after time shown that it panders to the interest of the industry before it does to the health of the nation.

Examples: Dr. Burzynski's Antineoplaston therapies for cancer treatment, Modern Raw Milk (Read Raw Milk Revolution), Agent Orange, Smoking, PCBS; the list goes on and on

This post was edited by Toothfariy on Dec 20 2010 04:44pm

harvard doctors claim that junk food doesn't contribute to obesity.

like i said if you want to demonize go ahead but realize that its a two way street.

at this point we should be on neutral ground(which i admit to) but you seem to think your side is irrefutably correct and perfect. there is no right and wrong for this subject and i wish you would see that.

Okay thats a fair point. There isnt a "right and wrong"

However i am not neutral in this. There is so much research showing negative impacts of GMOs, its hardly even somthing that could be questioned any more. That much is clear to me.
Ive said it before, id be all for GM foods if we could make them safe. If we could do objective thrid party study on GMOs on humans, and this study could be repeated many times and recognized by the majority of health experts and shown to be completely safe, then yes, i would be for GM foods.

The reality surrounding this issue is that there are so many factors we already know contribute to very serious health impacts, it would confuse a lot of scientists if these we actually shown to be safe. There havent been ANY human feeding trials prior to their release on the market, and still havent had any. We are the test right now. Can you imagine the mess we will be in if these are causing mass sterility, bleeding stomachs, blindness, lesions, cancers etc etc. The fact is that the GM foods dominate the organic varities and will contaminate them until some point there wont be organic varities left. Then we have no way to reverse this.

The point is, im not neutral for obvious reasons. It has been CLEARLY demonstrated that these are not good and provide very little if any benefit to the world; execpt for the bank accounts for the people who make and GM foods

Im asking you to show me wrong. Prove to me the opposite is true. Provide me some kind of source of information and i would be a little more inclined to believe you. You still havent done that, so i am on my side and will probably stay there until it can be proven safe and effective

This post was edited by Toothfariy on Dec 20 2010 05:01pm

its one of those times where we don't any real option given current knowledge. we can either abandon GM food prematurely based on potential effects and never have a chance to perfect the food source which would greatly benefit everyone or move forward and rely on the expertise and knowledge of others(which we do for so many things these days) to keep us from harm. yes there is "potential" for bad things to happen but that holds true for everything. i think in the end it comes down to what works.

its up to the worlds farmers to do what they can and rely on scientist and government to keep what they produce safe as far as we can tell.

i know exactly what you propose which is to not take risk at all and everything work out perfectly...but that simply cannot happen as we do not control nature.

edit:
you've said it before that there is no studies on the effects of gm foods out there so how can you or i definitively prove it either way?

This post was edited by Psycho- on Dec 20 2010 05:15pm

Yea i agree

However, prematurely releasing this into the market without any confirmation of safety is irresponsible to say the least.
They need to be tested before we release this worldwide. It MUST be shown safe to consume. It wouldnt be as much of a problem if this was reverseable.

The UK rejects GM food altogether. Even after the earthquakes in Haiti, Monsanto offered them to start using GM foods since most of their food was destroyed; and they completely refused
I dont think organic food will work out perfect, but its a hell of a lot better. and ne way, farming is us controling nature

Im a big fan of taking unnessessary risk

@edit: There have been no HUMAN safety trials. We are the expirment right now. They never had any kind of documented human feeding trials. For some reason the FDA completely bypassed that procedure when these we made legal. That is a huge part of the problem

What we do know is that most of the things that happen to rats, is proportional to humans. If its causing disease in a complex organism, chances are it is going to have an effect on almost all similar organisms.
Its a no brainer too

Pesticide absorption in the plant is transfered to the food and we eat that. Our bodies absorbs everythig it can from the food, good and bad. Its up to the liver to detoxify these things, however it doesnt happen so much because of thing called Total Load. With all the toxicity we all are exposed to, our livers are overloaded and cant possibly handle all of this. Also that these toxins are fat soluable, meaning they are stored in our fat cells, which are not used until glycogen and protien reserves have been depleted. It is extremely hard to pull toxins out of the adipose tissue in our bodies. Cellular toxicity has been documented that it will cause maladaptive cellular behavior and lead to things like cancer, advanced oxidative stress, etc

We know that the promoters they use to make the plants can turn on a whole host of genes. That has been documented by Monsanto themselves. Plus since this whole process is very delicate, they must douse them in antibiotics to make sure then gene can get into the cells and stay. Then they attach an ARM gene (anti resistant marker gene) which will show if the cells got the genes.

All the while, these plants are depending on commerical fertilizers, which only focus on 3 elements. Nitrogen, Phosperous, and Potassium; The NPK Numbers. These are the essential building blocks for the plant to be able to survive. After a few growing seasons, when the trace minreals and other organic compounds are not replenished into the soil, the plants wont absorb those because they're not available any more. That is how organic food is much more nutrient dense.

This post was edited by Toothfariy on Dec 20 2010 05:33pm