yes its actually quite simple, for something to exist it has to be a physical object with a location, which god does not
proving that god exists is the hard part

the fact is, science cant explain why anything exists in the first place, and religion says that god created it, but they cant explain why god exists
so the only real question is why does anything exist.

religion and science are really trying to answer that same question, and neither are able to.
but the most amuzing and hilarious thing is when science tries to claim the universe always existed, as if that really answers the question of how it exists.

and i dont even wanna hear scientists talk shit about religion becuase after all their work at the end of the day they still dont have the answer

Science isn't looking to find Why. It's only interested in How. Dawkins expains it well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSZ%5FfsG5uMg

And Richard Feynman explains Why questions even better:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMFPe-DwULM

This post was edited by bentherdonethat on Nov 16 2010 08:19pm

the first video didnt work

but the 2nd one is hilarious, he explains magnetism by saying you have to except that theres electrical forces

IF YOU KNOW HOW SOMETHING WORKS, YOU CAN EXPLAIN WHYSCIENCE DOESNT KNOW HOW MAGNETS WORK, SO THEY CANT EXPLAIN WHY MAGNETS REPULSE
he just uses circular logic and dodges the question like a pro

Science is all about explaining why
no one gives a shit about how, they only wnanna know why

This post was edited by elitepie on Nov 16 2010 08:34pm

Asshole christian +1 I hope you think about that statement again some time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSZ_fsG5uMg for some reason JSP kills youtube links that contain an underscore.

i dont beleive in religion!!! it doesnt exist!!!
prove to me religion exists.

wow alot of smart people didnt get the simple message the guy was trying to get across

I just want to say before watching this video, that people like richard dawkins and many others his age were part of a rebellous anti-religion group that just loved and enjoyed lashing out at especially christian beliefs, and also fancied themselves to be demi god geniouses, when in fact they don't understand how the universe works, so they change the focus to something about why and how questions, when you have to have both, first you ask why something is. then u learn how it works, science is about asking why, and when you can't answer why, it only means ur ignorant

/e after viewing i laughed becuase he and others like to dodge questions by using silly analogies
a great question would be.

Why do we exist?
isnt that the motivation for science then to discover how we came to exist, in order to answer the why.

if you truely know HOW something is, you can quite easily answer WHY

This post was edited by elitepie on Nov 18 2010 07:23pm

Those are fundamentally different types of questions. Asking "why" assumes that there is some answer to the question. We know how we came to be here (a billion years of evolution). So next, you say, the question would be Why are we here? Either you can answer spiritually (the universe or some divine being had a reason for us to exist) or you can answer scientifically (we are the product of the laws of nature put into practice).

As for "SCIENCE DOESNT KNOW HOW MAGNETS WORK" that's untrue. Magnetism is a product of when the electrons in a metal predominantly orient themselves along the same axis. When they all spin in the same direction, you get a strong magnet. When most, but not all, spin in the same direction, you get a weaker magnet. When the spin is completely random throughout the metal, then their net effects cancel each other out, so you get something that's not a magnet.

So, Why do electrons spin in the same direction for some metals and not for others? Well, for some magnets, they passed through an electric field that caused the electrons' spin to align a certain way. That's why heating up a magnet can cause it to lose its magnetic properties. Heat it up enough and the electrons move around and lose their alignment (remember, electrons in a metal are like a "mobile sea of electrons," so they can move about freely).

So then a move basic question: why do two ends of a magnet attract or repel each other? Asking that question is identical to asking why two masses attract each other via gravity. They're pretty much meaningless to everyone except people that want to say science is flawed or incomplete in its description of the universe. We know that it happens and we can accurately describe what's going on while it's happening. Practically speaking, that's enough to satisfy scientific curiosity. Anything beyond that is philosophy.

This post was edited by bentherdonethat on Nov 18 2010 09:36pm

How did I kill the mosquito? With my hands.
Why did I kill the mosquito? I have no idea.

Flawed logic is flawed.

Perfect.