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May 22 2009 12:13pm
Quote (Sioux @ Fri, May 22 2009, 06:07pm)
Why do you two hate each other? Every post where you both post turns into an argument.
Jazz, the ultimate goal of science or even a minor goal, is not that of displacing or disproving religion. The ultimate goal of science is to seek the truth, if that truth happens to directly oppose religion, its merely coincidence. The only reason evolution has so much debate from the religious camp, is because they made it an issue.

Ainedespelczech, keep up the good fight.


That is the defeat, the battle goes on, until like I said there is insurmountable evidence that God, and a Creator could never exist in any compatible sense with Science. It would be like saying that Greek Mythology is somehow compatible with Christianity or Monotheism.

I will stop arguing, yet I strongly believe that religion has to put its sword down because Religion doggedly claimed that Evolution was a Theory and should be critically examined alongside with Creation, which the latest discovery of Ida highlights that Science is far superior to religion.

To each his own poison, however. I do not enjoy being called ignorant for believing that Religion has suffered a massive defeat in explaining the origins of man.

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May 22 2009 12:17pm
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That is the defeat, the battle goes on, until like I said there is insurmountable evidence that God, and a Creator could never exist in any compatible sense with Science. It would be like saying that Greek Mythology is somehow compatible with Christianity or Monotheism.

I will stop arguing, yet I strongly believe that religion has to put its sword down because Religion doggedly claimed that Evolution was a Theory and should be critically examined alongside with Creation, which the latest discovery of Ida highlights that Science is far superior to religion.

To each his own poison, however. I do not enjoy being called ignorant for believing that Religion has suffered a massive defeat in explaining the origins of man.


Science has not proved God's incompatibility with existence. It has said nothing on the topic. Philosophy has shown the unlikeliness of a god with the traits of the Christian god, but that also, has not disproven God.

Creationism needs to be put down. The idea of intelligent design was put to bed over one hundred years ago by David Hume, why it is still popular is beyond me.

A majority of the people in the world believe God merely started the mechanizations of the universe and left it alone. Which is what I would believe God would do if it existed.
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May 22 2009 12:21pm
Quote (Jazz_Thing @ Fri, 22 May 2009, 10:55)
The big bang is not creation spel, it is a fundamental process of the universe that has yet to be explained by Science.


Honestly, I can't bother with you anymore, because you are so desperate to deliberately misread my posts that I can't be fucked to type up a bunch more shit that you will misunderstand, either willfully or out of stupidity.

When you can find ANYTHING AT ALL that has me saying that the Big Bang is 'creationism' or anything related to it, then maybe you'll have a point. But until then, you're nothing but an idiot who twists my words in the name of hating on religion and refusing to acknowledge that just because some religious douchebags find Science and Faith incompatible does not mean that they are.

It sounds like you're letting Creationists define the terms of the debate, which is incredibly laughable. :(

And actually, just for funsies, let's go ahead and put up the only thing I remember even saying about the Big Bang on these forums.

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More to the point, the Big Bang is a likely model for what occured at the creation of the universe - there's really nothing about the Big Bang Theory which states anything in either direction as regards the existence of God.  No one knows WHY it happened that way, we just know that our observations seem to imply that it happened that way.


Start addressing the words I say, or recieve the same treatment you give me. Your call. :)
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May 22 2009 12:22pm
Quote (Sioux @ Fri, May 22 2009, 06:17pm)
Science has not proved God's incompatibility with existence. It has said nothing on the topic. Philosophy has shown the unlikeliness of a god with the traits of the Christian god, but that also, has not disproven God.

Creationism needs to be put down. The idea of intelligent design was put to bed over one hundred years ago by David Hume, why it is still popular is beyond me.

A majority of the people in the world believe God merely started the mechanizations of the universe and left it alone. Which is what I would believe God would do if it existed.


Then Ida is not the missing link, our existence was CAUSED by this ancestor, without Ida's gene pool this conversation would probably never have existed, the world as we know it to be Homo Sapien dominated probably would have never have existed. By probably I mean 99.8999% chance.

You can't disprove God with philosophy its like shooting fish in a lake. You can disprove God with science however, that is my most fundamental belief as an Atheist.

"God merely starting" is blind Intelligent Design, that will take many many more years to disprove, just like hopefully the cause of man existing has finally been proven by this fossil.
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May 22 2009 12:22pm
As an added point, this missing link is guilty of this:



People outside the scientific field, over-hyping a scientific discovery.
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Then Ida is not the missing link, our existence was CAUSED by this ancestor, without Ida's gene pool this conversation would probably never have existed, the world as we know it to be Homo Sapien dominated probably would have never have existed. By probably I mean 99.8999% chance.

You can't disprove God with philosophy its like shooting fish in a lake. You can disprove God with science however, that is my most fundamental belief as an Atheist.

"God merely starting" is blind Intelligent Design, that will take many many more years to disprove, just like hopefully the cause of man existing has finally been proven by this fossil.


It's not really blind, intelligent design. Thats the idea of a blind watchmaker, which does exist. Ais an argument for evolution.

You cannot disprove God with science. Thats like disproving cupcakes are delicious with math.
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May 22 2009 12:25pm
Quote (Sioux @ Fri, 22 May 2009, 11:24)
You cannot disprove God with science. Thats like disproving cupcakes are delicious with math.


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May 22 2009 12:26pm
Quote (AiNedeSpelCzech @ Fri, May 22 2009, 06:21pm)
Honestly, I can't bother with you anymore, because you are so desperate to deliberately misread my posts that I can't be fucked to type up a bunch more shit that you will misunderstand, either willfully or out of stupidity.

When you can find ANYTHING AT ALL that has me saying that the Big Bang is 'creationism' or anything related to it, then maybe you'll have a point.  But until then, you're nothing but an idiot who twists my words in the name of hating on religion and refusing to acknowledge that just because some religious douchebags find Science and Faith incompatible does not mean that they are.

It sounds like you're letting Creationists define the terms of the debate, which is incredibly laughable.  :( 

And actually, just for funsies, let's go ahead and put up the only thing I remember even saying about the Big Bang on these forums.



Start addressing the words I say, or recieve the same treatment you give me.  Your call.  :)


Here you go buddy:

Quote (AiNedeSpelCzech @ Thu, May 21 2009, 11:36pm)
I already proved it.  I quoted from official doctrine of one of the oldest religion in the West which is not only compatible with Evolution, but which welcomes scientific discoveries as helping us to understand God's creation better. 


The universe is not God's creation, try again. Humans are not God's creation.
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May 22 2009 12:27pm
Quote (Jazz_Thing @ Fri, 22 May 2009, 11:26)
Here you go buddy:

The universe is not God's creation, try again. Humans are not God's creation.


lol, oic, a blind assertion that you can neither prove nor disprove. AWESOME. That has a lot to do with the Catholic perspective on things. :(
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May 22 2009 12:29pm
Quote (Sioux @ Fri, May 22 2009, 06:24pm)
It's not really blind, intelligent design. Thats the idea of a blind watchmaker, which does exist. Ais an argument for evolution.

You cannot disprove God with science. Thats like disproving cupcakes are delicious with math.


I laughed, good joke. If anything you can prove that people are stupid for eating cupcakes with poison inside ;)

Delicious aren't they?

Quote (AiNedeSpelCzech @ Fri, May 22 2009, 06:27pm)
lol, oic, a blind assertion that you can neither prove nor disprove.  AWESOME.  That has a lot to do with the Catholic perspective on things.  :(


Only a matter of time, I will wager that we will know the origins of the universe before you die, assuming nothing ends your life prematurely.

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