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Nov 14 2014 06:00pm
Quote (Bazi @ Nov 12 2014 08:41am)
I think you two are arguing over semantics at this point. His point is that humans are dominant species of this planet, but he's using the wrong words to illustrate his point. The planet's most dominant species is not interchangeable with the most evolved species.

His point in OP is still valid and strong. We are a product of countless generations of reproduction. If the dinosaurs were not wiped out there is every possibility they could be the dominant species on the planet today. As intellectual as we have become, should we leave the fate of our species to chance? With an alarming number of countries in the world possessing nuclear weaponry, it does not take a farfetched imagination to think of the worst case outcome.

Would it not be wise to have humans expand their genes to other locations for self-preservation?


I agree with you. However, I said we are the most evolved because intelligence is the equivalent of active evolution.

For example, when you are in a climate too cold for survival, you put on a jacket. If you are in a climate too hot for survival, you turn on the a/c.

Our technology is merely a product of our minds which easily adapt to change in real time. It does not take millions of years. And thus, it is a revolutionary development.

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I agree with you. However, I said we are the most evolved because intelligence is the equivalent of active evolution.

For example, when you are in a climate too cold for survival, you put on a jacket. If you are in a climate too hot for survival, you turn on the a/c.

Our technology is merely a product of our minds which easily adapt to change in real time. It does not take millions of years. And thus, it is a revolutionary development.


Its also a common feature among all mammals. We aren't the only ones with a brain that learns, also bacteria kick our ass at adapting. They do it much faster and alter their own DNA through uptake of plasmids to do it. There's even bacteria we literally can't kill no matter what conditions we put them in lending to the idea of panspermia. We don't have the most desirable trait for survival, that medal goes to bacteria.
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Its also a common feature among all mammals.  We aren't the only ones with a brain that learns, also bacteria kick our ass at adapting.  They do it much faster and alter their own DNA through uptake of plasmids to do it.  There's even bacteria we literally can't kill no matter what conditions we put them in lending to the idea of panspermia.  We don't have the most desirable trait for survival, that medal goes to bacteria.


True. However, you are comparing apples to oranges talking about extremophiles.

They adapt to their environment. We adapt our environment to ourselves.

Bacteria can hardly ever dream of interstellar travel and certainly can't dabble in the fine arts. And obviously, we can't survive in volcanic vents.
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Nov 15 2014 02:04pm
Nobody will ever be better at being human then humans imo so at least we got that.
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Nov 17 2014 02:55pm
Quote (PixileDust @ Oct 31 2014 10:19am)
Please show me where I said we are the end-product of evolution, I merely said we are currently the pinnacle of evolution.

We are the first species that have evolved so far that we mentally adapt to new situations without the need of millions more years of evolution.

We also have begun to engage in human-directed adaptation through medical advances, such as vaccines and electrodes.



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Please explain in depth how this is "stupid." Evolution is simply the survival of the fittest. We are definitely at the peak of that definition.

However, we have also begun to engage in post-evolution activities, such as scientific advancement, culture, and space travel.

We are clearly the superior to all other species on earth; please feel free to prove me wrong.


There is no such thing as "post-evolution". Change is always occurring. The discovery of abstract tools such as science does not mean such change ceases. Furthermore, while we are the most advanced species on Earth, there is no reason to believe we are the most advanced species in the universe, or even in the Milky Way.
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Nov 17 2014 03:46pm
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There is no such thing as "post-evolution". Change is always occurring. The discovery of abstract tools such as science does not mean such change ceases. Furthermore, while we are the most advanced species on Earth, there is no reason to believe we are the most advanced species in the universe, or even in the Milky Way.


I believe he means that we are engaging in activities that aren't directly instilled by evolution, but are instead indirect consequences of particular evolutionary traits.
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I believe he means that we are engaging in activities that aren't directly instilled by evolution, but are instead indirect consequences of particular evolutionary traits.


yeah but just about every mammal falls into that category.
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yeah but just about every mammal falls into that category.


We do to a far greater extent, things like writing literature and making music and doing mathematics.
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Quote (Thor123422 @ Nov 17 2014 04:50pm)
yeah but just about every mammal falls into that category.


Every species will make the most of their traits, direct or indirect, within their current generation. Humans differ compared to the feats of other species because with every generation that has passed we have artificially improved our species with these indirect traits (manual dexterity and complex vocal chords ultimately leading to complex communication). With the advent of technology we have hindered our biological evolution because no longer are we forced to naturally adapt to the environment.

While it may not be biological evolution, ultimately this trend (agreed upon my many major institutions) will lead to cyborg evolution. Basically some form of technology will be incorporated on our normal functions. This already is the case for many people like pacemakers and ventilators, however at present these devices act to restore normal human function. It isn't science fiction to think of these devices actually enhancing human function.
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Nov 27 2014 07:20am
Just my opinion but i believe all the life here, that doesn't require the destruction and depletion of almost everything on this planet is the alpha species................. B)
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