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Jan 5 2012 08:27am
interesting topic and wow there is alot of arrogance here.....

but non the less interesting

Quote (Hiide @ Jan 5 2012 01:18pm)
I need a summarized version :(


read it all

it will give you plenty of brain lag ^^
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Jan 5 2012 10:55am
Quote (bentherdonethat @ Jan 5 2012 04:11am)
Have I so thoroughly destroyed your post that this is all you're going to reply to me with? What happened to you? You had JUST said to me in post #61


So where in this did you attack my claim? All you have done is attack me while I have yet  to attack you. You're seeing my posts as if I am attacking you personally when all I'm doing is just  obliterating what is apparently your closed-minded world view. For a thread titled "Proof That Greed Is Not Human Nature" I find that the absolute lack of even an argument from you to support this claim a bit surprising.

Let me know when you're actually ready to have a debate, though. Topic could be interesting if you were willing to actually put forward an argument to support what you're saying.


The prophet is just a little cranky. Give him time to wash his blue, hooded sweatshirt and plan a rebuttal.
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Jan 5 2012 12:16pm
Quote (bentherdonethat @ Jan 5 2012 06:11am)
Have I so thoroughly destroyed your post that this is all you're going to reply to me with? What happened to you? You had JUST said to me in post #61


So where in this did you attack my claim? All you have done is attack me while I have yet  to attack you. You're seeing my posts as if I am attacking you personally when all I'm doing is just  obliterating what is apparently your closed-minded world view. For a thread titled "Proof That Greed Is Not Human Nature" I find that the absolute lack of even an argument from you to support this claim a bit surprising.

Let me know when you're actually ready to have a debate, though. Topic could be interesting if you were willing to actually put forward an argument to support what you're saying.


Well hmm, since you repeatedly seem to forget a point I make, then make pretend I didn't say anything on it, and repeatedly forget what you said yourself, I think I'll pass on this auto neglect game say.
I got enough out of this crowd to know where we stand.

You can find me in second life though, I go under celeborn longoria, we can do a voice debate. Get a client and a headset. We'll set up a time.

This post was edited by anonplanz on Jan 5 2012 12:23pm
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Jan 5 2012 12:35pm
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everything else aside in this thread ill address your last statement.

stop allowing the few to own the majority? how about the majority stops being so terrible at life.

you blame the government for tricking you into signing up for the draft but they didn't force it on you. you chose to sign up for personal gain and thats on you not them. own up to your failures and move on instead of trying to blame the more powerful for it.


That's a little presumptuous. You have no idea where I place blame unless you are a mindreader. I didn't really know what my options were at 17. And up until I was 41, I was a patriot, and would have given my life for the United States, on whim. During my career in the Navy, I didn't get so effected by what we were doing. I pledged an oath, to myself and my countrymen, and my ego told me not to pay mind to it all, even if I was wrong.
But that shit don't fly forever. After awhile, the "desensitizing" training wears off.

I'd like to point out, that during my research, I have concluded that "most" common men really don't want to be in a military situation. Sadly the system sets up a bit of opportunity black outs for most people, having not the money, nor the where with all to have the same opportunities as others, so they look to the military for a career. When they get out though, it's a whole different ball game. Every vet I've ever spoken to, feels they have been deceived. Feels that it was a ploy to keep an economic system afloat. After all war is the most lucrative business known to mankind. Human suffering is viable. Human dysfunction pays. I should know. In 10 years I grossed over 1 million dollars in the field of human dysfunction. Unfortunately I lost every penny of it to the banking cartel when misfortune came my way, through no fault of my own, and had to resort to savings to survive and take care of 2 kids as a single parent.

Of course, you kiddies probably wouldn't know what thats like would ya? Losing a loved one, that could have been completely prevented, if man didn't dominate each other, and set up a sick social system... but I digress...

So, Im going to discontinue subscribing to my own post here, because I realize I am in with a group, who simply is lost, and without real life experience.
Too young, too stupid, too much ego, and a huge DICK to wave next to their flags and gods and guns.

Have a nice life, hope ya get sick, and stay sick, then wonder why it happened.

-Z
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Jan 5 2012 12:44pm
Quote (anonplanz @ Jan 5 2012 01:35pm)
That's a little presumptuous. You have no idea where I place blame unless you are a mindreader. I didn't really know what my options were at 17. And up until I was 41, I was a patriot, and would have given my life for the United States, on whim. During my career in the Navy, I didn't get so effected by what we were doing. I pledged an oath, to myself and my countrymen, and my ego told me not to pay mind to it all, even if I was wrong.
But that shit don't fly forever. After awhile, the "desensitizing" training wears off.

I'd like to point out, that during my research, I have concluded that "most" common men really don't want to be in a military situation. Sadly the system sets up a bit of opportunity black outs for most people, having not the money, nor the where with all to have the same opportunities as others, so they look to the military for a career. When they get out though, it's a whole different ball game. Every vet I've ever spoken to, feels they have been deceived. Feels that it was a ploy to keep an economic system afloat. After all war is the most lucrative business known to mankind. Human suffering is viable. Human dysfunction pays. I should know. In 10 years I grossed over 1 million dollars in the field of human dysfunction. Unfortunately I lost every penny of it to the banking cartel when misfortune came my way, through no fault of my own, and had to resort to savings to survive and take care of 2 kids as a single parent.

Of course, you kiddies probably wouldn't know what thats like would ya? Losing a loved one, that could have been completely prevented, if man didn't dominate each other, and set up a sick social system... but I digress...

So, Im going to discontinue subscribing to my own post here, because I realize I am in with a group, who simply is lost, and without real life experience.
Too young, too stupid, too much ego, and a huge DICK to wave next to their flags and gods and guns.

Have a nice life, hope ya get sick, and stay sick, then wonder why it happened.

-Z


lol k bye

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Jan 5 2012 05:17pm
Quote (anonplanz @ Jan 5 2012 01:16pm)
Well hmm, since you repeatedly seem to forget a point I make, then make pretend I didn't say anything on it, and repeatedly forget what you said yourself, I think I'll pass on this auto neglect game say.
I got enough out of this crowd to know where we stand.

You can find me in second life though, I go under celeborn longoria, we can do a voice debate. Get a client and a headset. We'll set up a time.

What point is that? Link me to the post and I'll read and address it.
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Quote (anonplanz @ Jan 4 2012 02:35pm)
Couples things:

1: Your solution doesn't work. Land is dominated. There is no , middle of the forest anymore. And then you are subject to laws outside of your own community even it were remotely possible.
2: You don't know what the natural order of things are, because you have not properly vetted man in every possible environment. I said this already earlier in the post. You jump to conclusions like human nature, but you have no idea what that is, having not tested man in anything but a hostile environment.
3: Competition, is indoctrinated. It is left over from a reaction to scarcity and perpetuated in biblical proportions.
4: You may find it funny, however they are my quotes, and it is how man should think, before he comes to conclusions equal to yours. Your line of thinking is archaic, and present ZERO hope for humanity.
5: I have attempted to reach the world, and in many places I, and we (the people with whom are my peers in these matters) are successful. But if I can't reach you, I can't reach anyone.

The world doesn't need luck. It needs an understanding and respect for the law of nature. You cannot possibly expect to live in your la la land and consume the earths resources, and cast war against nations, pit man against himself, and think that it's going to get any better. No red cross, or Peace Corp, or save the whales is going to suffice. You need to be held accountable for your negligent mindset.

Do your part. Be the change I want to see.

-Z


@bolded is still in effect today, just in a different form

we're trying to reach the "platform" of sustainability, and some argue it can be reached faster like "this" (economic inequality) than by spreading the resources equally


@your save the earth thingy

just imagine if we suddenly started enforcing 100% green laws,,, companies would be forced out of business.. they don't all make big net profits you know, most businesses are just barely positive, enough to make a living, enforcing green stuff with the hope of ensuing a new golden age would actually crash the market, just saying

This post was edited by Wyrmvater on Jan 6 2012 09:17am
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Quote (Wyrmvater @ Jan 6 2012 03:16pm)
@bolded is still in effect today, just in a different form

we're trying to reach the "platform" of sustainability, and some argue it can be reached faster like "this" (economic inequality) than by spreading the resources equally


@your save the earth thingy

just imagine if we suddenly started enforcing 100% green laws,,, companies would be forced out of business.. they don't all make big net profits you know, most businesses are just barely positive, enough to make a living, enforcing green stuff with the hope of ensuing a new golden age would actually crash the market, just saying


agreed,,,

Quote (anonplanz @ Jan 5 2012 06:35pm)
That's a little presumptuous. You have no idea where I place blame unless you are a mindreader. I didn't really know what my options were at 17. And up until I was 41, I was a patriot, and would have given my life for the United States, on whim. During my career in the Navy, I didn't get so effected by what we were doing. I pledged an oath, to myself and my countrymen, and my ego told me not to pay mind to it all, even if I was wrong.
But that shit don't fly forever. After awhile, the "desensitizing" training wears off.

I'd like to point out, that during my research, I have concluded that "most" common men really don't want to be in a military situation. Sadly the system sets up a bit of opportunity black outs for most people, having not the money, nor the where with all to have the same opportunities as others, so they look to the military for a career. When they get out though, it's a whole different ball game. Every vet I've ever spoken to, feels they have been deceived. Feels that it was a ploy to keep an economic system afloat. After all war is the most lucrative business known to mankind. Human suffering is viable. Human dysfunction pays. I should know. In 10 years I grossed over 1 million dollars in the field of human dysfunction. Unfortunately I lost every penny of it to the banking cartel when misfortune came my way, through no fault of my own, and had to resort to savings to survive and take care of 2 kids as a single parent.

Of course, you kiddies probably wouldn't know what thats like would ya? Losing a loved one, that could have been completely prevented, if man didn't dominate each other, and set up a sick social system... but I digress...

So, Im going to discontinue subscribing to my own post here, because I realize I am in with a group, who simply is lost, and without real life experience.
Too young, too stupid, too much ego, and a huge DICK to wave next to their flags and gods and guns.

Have a nice life, hope ya get sick, and stay sick, then wonder why it happened.

-Z


while there might be alot of wrong doings,,, so it has bin for 1000+ of years

it is in my believe that we are becoming better, justice is a thing that we force or rule out,, there is nothing fair in life, such things often comes down to mere luck,, where you were born, your parence, everything around you'

ignorance and arrogance is a thing we humans tend to become, which is very stupid, prevents us from learning and creates hatred


your trying to explain something to people, but the problem is not what your trying to say,,, its how you say it,

early on you start out saying¨how uneducated people are, your insulting people and noone likes that,

while some of what you say may be true, you must never rule out the fact that you might be wrong, such is the sign of arrogance

we learn all our lives, till the very end

This post was edited by haloneya on Jan 7 2012 04:49am
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Jan 11 2012 04:47am
Long read, but that's interesting.
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Jan 11 2012 05:02pm
Greed is human nature
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