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Aug 21 2015 04:16pm
Every archeologist is different in who they are, also if they work for a University they can be denied research into things because of heads of that department or heads of the University or because a Company that funds research at that university might disagree with what results might be expected. There lots of reasons -so if I say "a" Archaeologist - I don't mean "every" Archaeologist. The entire thing is a whole process and the stick in the mud can be anywhere along the system.

I like that joke about 3 archeologist, the reason i think they would all be lucid in their opinions is because bullying in "science" is a real thing, and one way to avoid it - is to not be so concrete in your opinions, stay firmly planted within whichever way the wind blows and support your fellow brothers by sticking semi-quasi together to project an image that we know what the hell we're doing.

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"Ancient cave drawings in Indonesia are as old as famous prehistoric art in Europe, according to a new study that shows our ancestors were drawing all over the world 40,000 years ago.

And it hints at an even earlier dawn of creativity in modern humans, going back to Africa, than scientists had thought."

http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/cave-art-in-indonesia-may-be-oldest-in-world-1.2792601?cmp=rss
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Aug 25 2015 01:20am
http://www.theguardian.com/science/2012/mar/11/cave-painting-symbols-language-evolution



Think it was just animals painting in those caves they were drawing in pre-history - wrong - turns out they were already using very similar symbols and they have been discovering these relationship over the past few years.

Many of these symbols they can date from 40k - 100k years ago.

"These signs are rarely mentioned in most studies of ancient cave art. Some are gathered in groups, some appear in ones or twos, while others are mixed in with the caves' images of animals. There are triangles, squares, full circles, semicircles, open angles, crosses and groups of dots. Others are more complex: drawings of hands with distorted fingers (known as negative hands); rows of parallel lines (called finger flutings); diagrams of branch-like symbols known as penniforms, or little sketches of hut-like entities called tectiforms. In total, 26 specific signs are used repeatedly in these caves, created in the millennia when Europe descended into – and emerged from – the last great Ice Age."

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http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/did-early-humans-communicate-with-cave-signs-1.3040723

If true, this represents a major milestone in the evolution of our species, says von Petzinger. Think of it as an ancient precursor to Twitter tens of thousands of years before writing was invented by the Sumerians in Mesopotamia in approximately 3,000 B.C.

Transmitting messages

Von Petzinger came to this conclusion after studying published inventories of over 300 archaeological sites and conducting her own research in 52 French, Spanish, Portuguese and Italian caves. She classified the signs in categories and entered them into a database to track trends over geographical space and time.

Ice Age Code
New research suggests that markings on cave walls such as these ones from El Castillo in Spain may have been part of a graphic communication system from the Ice Age, long before writing was invented. (Dillon von Petzinger)

Her analysis shows that over a 30,000-year period, cave dwellers used only about 30 different types of signs.

"Obviously, we don't have anybody we can ask what the signs mean," she says, "but they were using them in a way that suggests their usage was intentional and that they wished to transmit messages with them."

University of Victoria anthropology professor April Nowell agrees the signs weren't randomly drawn.

"If it was just doodling, if it was just random, then you would expect to see something as common as a dot or a spiral or something like that in all the caves," Nowell says.

"In fact, we see that they don't appear in all the caves and each of these signs seems to be more popular at a certain time and then disappear. They emerge in one geographic region and then spread across, say, from Spain to France."

Writing on the cave wall?

Up near the ceiling of La Pasiega cave in the north of Spain, there's a series of red marks on a line that look eerily like a row of ancient letters. These are not really letters, but there's something going on, according to von Petzinger.

"It's certainly not writing yet at this point but writing didn't come out of a vacuum," she says.

True writing systems consist of sets of symbols and rules about how to combine them, so that they can represent almost anything, from concrete phenomena to concepts, categories or sounds.

Prehistoric signs don't have the complexity of a writing system but they do qualify as an early form of graphic communication.

Could we ever figure out what these signs meant? There's no prehistoric Rosetta stone to help scientists crack that Ice Age code, but von Petzinger is looking for recurring clusters of signs, hoping to find patterns that may offer clues.

"I won't be able to tell you… that it says, you know, 'Grog was here' or something like that," says von Petzinger. "I focus more on trying to look for patterns of behaviour. It's an indirect way of me being able to say that they were communicating with each other."

Ice age code
Ice Age humans started using the Isturitz/Oxocelhaya cave system about 40,000 years ago, after it had been occupied by Neanderthals. They left behind some of the world’s oldest musical instruments as well as rock art and some strange non-figurative markings. (CBC/RADIO-CANADA)

Out of Africa

While analyzing her initial data, von Petzinger made a striking discovery: 65 per cent of the signs she identified seem to have been in use at the time modern humans arrived in Europe about 40,000 years ago.

She says that in the caves she studied, lines, ovals, rectangles and circles are not only in use, "but they're already being used in what's looking like a systematic, very intentional way. So when I see that, it doesn't look like a beginning, it looks like something that's already in practice."

The early signs may have been part of a cultural toolkit our ancestors brought with them when they left Africa, the birthplace of our species.

This appears to be quite a paradigm shift in archaeology.

Experts have long believed that our ancestors' arrival in Europe gave rise to a cultural explosion and the emergence of truly modern human behaviour, because much of the world's Ice Age art - including the famous animal imagery - was found there and dates from after that time.

Von Petzinger's findings, along with several recent archaeological discoveries, suggest that abstract thinking may have emerged in Africa.

Engravings on ancient ochre sticks and ostrich eggshell fragments found in South Africa suggest the use of geometric markings by modern humans may reach back much further in time, to almost 100,000 years ago at least.

"We know that people in Africa were symbol users," says Nowell. "They were modern, they had modern anatomy like us, and so we suspect that they had language and so on. So it's quite possible that the people moving into Europe were already bringing this repertoire of signs with them."

"This is our story as human beings of how did we become us, and when did we become us," says von Petzinger.

Grog may have been much smarter, and closer to us, than we ever thought.
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Aug 26 2015 07:41am
There was an experiment recently that showed how to make it like 40% easier to move the huge building blocks of the pyramids of Egypt. All they had to do was wet the sand preceding the block on its path.


but honestly they learnt how to reverse magnetic polars of objects by utilizing electricity
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There was an experiment recently that showed how to make it like 40% easier to move the huge building blocks of the pyramids of Egypt. All they had to do was wet the sand preceding the block on its path.


but honestly they learnt how to reverse magnetic polars of objects by utilizing electricity


Well according to egyptologists they laid a 2-10 ton block every 5 minutes - 24 hours a day for 20 years - all laid without mortar and carved to fit so perfectly together - that even after 3 earthquakes - you can't even put a razor blade between most of them , not even to mention the base that they built it on. There also many statues and artifacts that can't be explained.

I also saw a video about the Sphinx , that the "walls" surrounding it show signs of water damage that ages them 8 - 12,000 years of erosion to accomplish. so there is reason to question the age of even the pyramids and what they were used for.

Exactly how they did it no one knows but it seems clear that it's about time to change our view of modern archeological history, to one besides the view based on the christian/judeo/muslim bible's old testament - although i'm sure many won't want to beside the mountains of evidence.
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Sep 28 2015 12:24am
Why is evidence for Ancient archeology missing from secondary literature(textbooks) if it exists and is predominate in primary literature(peer reviewed archeological reports)?

It's called a process of "knowledge filtration" that operates in the world of (University based Judeo-Christian) science. This is not some Satanic conspiracy to suppress truth, it is an Idea that philosophers and Historians of science have understood for a long time - namely that theoretical preconceptions can influence how "Scientist's" may react when different evidence comes to their attention. This "Blue box" of dominant scientific consensus is based on social acceptance rather than observable fact and truth. So reports that agree with this dominant consensus will be totally accepted and reports that conflict with the dominant consensus will not be.

In this video - Michael Cremo talks about the how theory of Evolution may be somewhat acceptable , but there are still 100s of examples that simply do not conform to the mainstream archaeological idea that Humans are only 200k years old and that 10,000 years ago we were limited to using stone tools and lived in caves.

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Sep 30 2015 12:51pm
it's natural formation


it's extremely ancien granit modelized by climatic conditions

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/44908464/avalon/shoria/TRES1277.pdf <== troll

theres plenty of example of such structure in the world
im pretty sure if it was true i would see it in the (relatively serious) scientific news

you can also type "strange natural rocks formations" in google image, it works too and you will see hallucinating rocks formations.

alien's carpet

http://www.viewzone2.com/boulders/

whatever.

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it's natural formation
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/44908464/avalon/shoria/shoria002-38.jpg

it's extremely ancien granit modelized by climatic conditions

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/44908464/avalon/shoria/TRES1277.pdf <== troll

theres plenty of example of such structure in the world
im pretty sure if it was true i would see it in the (relatively serious) scientific news

you can also type "strange natural rocks formations" in google image, it works too and you will see hallucinating rocks formations.

alien's carpet

http://www.viewzone2.com/boulders/

whatever.


Is every strange rock formation proof of some denied ancient intelligence, of course not.

But that pdf was done by analyzing the GEOCHEMISTRY of rocks in the area and it concluded that:

"Thus, in terms of the isotopic characteristics
that reflect the source, the rocks of the massif are
sharply different from Early Paleozoic igneous rocks in
Early Caledonian structures of the western Altai–Sayan
mobile belt."

And that's all. Anything more is just an assumption by you.
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Is every strange rock formation proof of some denied ancient intelligence, of course not.

But that pdf was done by analyzing the GEOCHEMISTRY of rocks in the area and it concluded that:

"Thus, in terms of the isotopic characteristics
that reflect the source, the rocks of the massif are
sharply different from Early Paleozoic igneous rocks in
Early Caledonian structures of the western Altai–Sayan
mobile belt."

And that's all. Anything more is just an assumption by you.


it's usual effect of freeze/unfreeze on rocks

it's well know and documented, now sure who is in denial inthere :p





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