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#61
Jun 19 2014 12:10am
Quote (Subwoofer @ Jun 18 2014 04:37pm)
cause morality is universal right?

much like god there are lots of views on morality.

the only difference is your dog isn't sitting on the internet making grand claims out of ignorance. this is the science subforum..not the opinion subforum.

he provided observable data that dogs don't rely only on instinct because if they did they would be killing that pig whenever they became hungry.

so again...get some evidence on your side or stop posting because even anecdotal evidence is better than no evidence.


Best post in this thread. Made it all worthwhile.
As I pointed out earlier, he doesn't use any evidence. He makes something up and presents it as fact.
That apparently made my posts irrelevant, AKA detrimental to his patchy argument.
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Jun 19 2014 12:49am
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Best post in this thread. Made it all worthwhile.
As I pointed out earlier, he doesn't use any evidence. He makes something up and presents it as fact.
That apparently made my posts irrelevant, AKA detrimental to his patchy argument.


sad part is this isn't the first time he's been told how wrong he is when it comes to dogs.

you would figure the first time the topic came up he would educate himself, but he keeps on preaching ignorance even though google is a click away.
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#63
Jun 19 2014 04:54am
I'm sure this will heat up this discussion, it's interesting!

Will you call this defending instincts or what?



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Jun 19 2014 04:55am
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Jun 19 2014 06:14pm
it's very difficult to attribute anything to pure instinctual responses.

at best we can say it's possible on some level it was instinctual but there is obviously no reason for a cat to have instincts to protect a child from a different species.

it's kind of like flight or fight instinct...if you choose flight and use a 4000 horsepower drag car or fight and a high energy laser it's obviously instinct at root but the end result it far more complex.
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#66
Jun 20 2014 02:34am
It is mentioned

In fukin gen bio
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#67
Jun 20 2014 01:19pm
Quote (Queso @ Jun 6 2014 10:31am)
I agree. It's actually quite obvious how animalistic we are. The fact that there are some that angrily deny it in spite of the evidence is proof of how new our species is at rational/logical thought. And I'm pretty sure that's a fallacious argument I just made, so even I am proof of that.





Evolution is driven by a process called natural selection, which can take millions of years. By the very definition of natural selection, one cannot observe their own species evolve.


Still not sure how this works. So if we can observe our own species when we've already claimed to come from chims and shit, how do we know? I've never been big into the whole idea of "evolution".
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Jun 20 2014 03:50pm
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Still not sure how this works. So if we can observe our own species when we've already claimed to come from chims and shit, how do we know? I've never been big into the whole idea of "evolution".


you are talking about generation after generation after generation observing just to see slight genetic changes. assuming we as a species we actually survive long enough and don't lose huge chunk of information due to war, natural disasters etc then yes we could document the changes of our species from now for the next 10 million years.

as individuals however we will never see such a thing because we will be long dead.

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Jun 20 2014 08:42pm
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Still not sure how this works. So if we can observe our own species when we've already claimed to come from chims and shit, how do we know? I've never been big into the whole idea of "evolution".


We have found remains from many common ancestors, and have been able to find many many many remains of creatures that seem to have developed from our theorized ancestors, up until the ones that are almost human.
If you found one ring of a chain made of copper, and then a ring of silver that seemed to be scratched by copper on one side and gold on the other side, and then you found a ring of gold that seemed to be scratched by silver on one side, what could you hypothesize?
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Jun 20 2014 09:12pm
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We have found remains from many common ancestors, and have been able to find many many many remains of creatures that seem to have developed from our theorized ancestors, up until the ones that are almost human.
If you found one ring of a chain made of copper, and then a ring of silver that seemed to be scratched by copper on one side and gold on the other side, and then you found a ring of gold that seemed to be scratched by silver on one side, what could you hypothesize?


Our common ancestor's are irrelevant in proving if God exist's or not :( Sorry

This post was edited by HighschoolTurd on Jun 20 2014 09:12pm
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