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Oct 17 2011 01:47am
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the point is that if believe something is impossible  because you think it cannot be done you are a fool, where it has been proven thousands of times what people thought was impossible is actually possible



code in a game is different to the speed of light


so you are saying anything no matter how absurd under any circumstance is possible?

turn into a chicken that does magic tricks in the next 30 seconds then.

it should be possible because you believe everything is possible right?
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Oct 17 2011 01:50am
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so you are saying anything no matter how absurd under any circumstance is possible?

turn into a chicken that does magic tricks in the next 30 seconds then.

it should be possible because you believe everything is possible right?


sigh..

i can't tell if your actually being serious or just trolling . I am guessing the later of the two.
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sigh..

i can't tell if your actually being serious or just trolling . I am guessing the later of the two.


being serious sadly. everything isn't possible and saying stuff like "other things we thought impossible are now possible" is a stupid way to look at things. those "other" things aren't comparable to anything as complex and daunting as surpassing the speed of light.

we have reached the point in our technological evolution where we can now think on an almost universal scale and pretending like anything in our past even compares to the complexity of the scale we are on today is laughable. we still have a lot to learn but to blatantly disregard our current knowledge and understanding of how it all works is bullshit. the reason we still use these theories as a basis for our work is because they hold up well under almost all circumstances therefore they have to be at least somewhat true.
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Oct 17 2011 02:06am
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being serious sadly. everything isn't possible and saying stuff like "other things we thought impossible are now possible" is a stupid way to look at things. those "other" things aren't comparable to anything as complex and daunting as surpassing the speed of light.

we have reached the point in our technological evolution where we can now think on an almost universal scale and pretending like anything in our past even compares to the complexity of the scale we are on today is laughable. we still have a lot to learn but to blatantly disregard our current knowledge and understanding of how it all works is bullshit. the reason we still use these theories as a basis for our work is because they hold up well under almost all circumstances therefore they have to be at least somewhat true.


the complexity of the scale is the same today as a million years ago just our understanding has changed..

like has already been said something that we think is not possible today ie breaking the speed of light could be possible in the future, saying it is not possible because it hasn't been done is naiive.

And yes our belief about breaking the speed of light is comparable to our ancestors belief on flight like 200+ years ago

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the complexity of the scale is the same today as a million years ago just our understanding has changed..

like has already been said something that we think is not possible today ie breaking the speed of light could be possible in the future, saying it is not possible because it hasn't been done is naiive.

And yes our belief about breaking the speed of light is comparable to our ancestors belief on flight like 200+ years ago


its easy to make a generalization
so far however , you have made no case at all

as for flight , maybe you can show how the understanding of the day proved that flight was impossible
for so far , you have only said that people beleived it couldnt happen ( while we know from historical records that many men did in fact beleive that it could happen )
without actually citing anyones work that showed that the physical understanding of the day " proved " it could not happen

in regards to c being a limiting speed , there is a well known body of work which shows this
i am unaware of any such body of work in history that showed that flight was not possible
i would much appreciate such infomation
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the complexity of the scale is the same today as a million years ago just our understanding has changed..

like has already been said something that we think is not possible today ie breaking the speed of light could be possible in the future, saying it is not possible because it hasn't been done is naiive.

And yes our belief about breaking the speed of light is comparable to our ancestors belief on flight like 200+ years ago


200 years ago we could see birds and insects fly. still waiting to see something go faster than the speed of light though.
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Oct 17 2011 03:59am
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200 years ago we could see birds and insects fly. still waiting to see something go faster than the speed of light though.


goodluck seeing that.
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Oct 17 2011 08:52am
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the point is that if believe something is impossible  because you think it cannot be done you are a fool, where it has been proven thousands of times what people thought was impossible is actually possible

code in a game is different to the speed of light


no it's not, but that is assuming physics is more or less correct and if you'd understand special relativity a bit and how it is applied in modern technologies, you'd know why physicists aren't that eager to give up on the idea of speed of light in vacuum being the universal speed limit.

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sigh..

i can't tell if your actually being serious or just trolling . I am guessing the later of the two.


don't answer a question with a question, why isn't the chicken magic trick possible?

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but none of those were impossible to begin with, what's your point?


I'm not responding to everything because I don't have time but this stood out. People said it was impossible. People say going faster than the speed of light is impossible as well. Its the same thing. People say things are impossible only to be proven possible 100-200 years later.
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I'm not responding to everything because I don't have time but this stood out. People said it was impossible. People say going faster than the speed of light is impossible as well. Its the same thing. People say things are impossible only to be proven possible 100-200 years later.


but the arguments for the speed of light being the limit are way stronger (keep in mind one of sciences requirements is consistency to a very large extent) than the arguments to people not being able to fly

you're treating things as if they're equal when they're not

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