Quote (Thor123422 @ May 28 2017 10:49am)

Also totally dodged my smashing. Oh well, if you can't even do a simple google search to find out what sea level means....

Quote (ChivasRegal @ May 28 2017 04:01am)

sorry for the delay, i wasn't ignoring this, just slipped my mind

now it is a good question, and I can just as easily throw this back to you...

let's pretend for a moment that ALL science AND religion is a complete lie ok
let's also pretend that your mind has been wiped and you are now starting from scratch, and need to learn about where you are and what this place is that you see...(just assume you have been able to keep the english language so you can communicate)
now, let's say the first person you bump into and u ask says "oh Hi. we live on a sphere that is spinning constantly and hurtling through this thing called space and we revolve around that shiny thing called a sun"
now, let's say the second person you bump into and u ask says "oh hey brother, we live on flat disc that is not moving, that shiny sun revolves around us and we have a dome firmament above us that keeps us enclosed"

so now, you have 2 different theories......how will you go about deciding which one is true??
and it must be proved with hard irrefutable evidence, not just cos this guy wearing a lab coat says a bunch of theories, or because this important Holy book says it is true.

so now, it comes down to doing one of the following:
buy or build your own rocketship and physically blast off into the atmosphere and see if you either slam into an invisible dome or reach this place called space, turn around and see a globe shaped object down below
or
get on a boat/plane and travel to the ice wall edge (Antarctica) and make the long trek to the dome edge and see the firmament for yourself and know that you are inside an enclosed system

Do you see where I am going with this? If everything we know is a lie, and we must prove it for ourselves beyond any reasonable doubt? which of those two options would realistically be achievable?

Quote (remco6 @ May 29 2017 03:45am)

That's exactly what happened with humanity. And we came to the conclusion we live on a globe(few hundred bc) , that circles the sun(16th century)
There's lots of irrefutable evidence to support this. Tbh watching ships go over the horizon was the one that probably convinced most common people.
Idk what your talking about with scientists in lab coats, that's some sort of strawman you've built. The evidence is gathered and used by everyday people who build roads , bridges and watch the stars.

Quote (ChivasRegal @ May 29 2017 10:27am)

"WE" didn't come to the conclusion at all...

science says we had a big bang, we evolved from goo, and we live on a spinning ball, hurtling through space orbiting around the sun
the bible says God created everything with a specific design and purpose, we live on a flat disc & not moving, and the sun rotates around us

one of them is lying........pick which is your "faith"

Quote (kai_jph @ May 29 2017 06:14pm)

Where does it say that in the Bible? :huh:

Quote (ChivasRegal @ May 29 2017 10:48am)

read the other response I gave to you on the previous page, while I gather all the evidence for this reply ok

Quote (kai_jph @ May 29 2017 06:14pm)

Where does it say that in the Bible? :huh:

Quote (ChivasRegal @ 29 May 2017 10:46)

Isaiah 11:12 "...four corners of the earth..." (there are no corners on a ball/globe)
Revelation 7:1 "...four corners of the earth..."
Revelation 20:8 "...four corners of the earth..."

Quote (ChivasRegal @ May 29 2017 10:27am)

"WE" didn't come to the conclusion at all...

science says we had a big bang, we evolved from goo, and we live on a spinning ball, hurtling through space orbiting around the sun
the bible says God created everything with a specific design and purpose, we live on a flat disc & not moving, and the sun rotates around us

one of them is lying........pick which is your "faith"