Well to me there is enough evidence to question that Jesus was the son of God and was resurrected, and probably should be re-written as a prophet, but that would be extremely hard for the Catholic church to do - they have created a situation where they are screwed if they do and screwed if they don't, haven't the faintest idea of how they fix this problem.

The existence of megalithic structures is pretty much proof of much we don't understand, like some of the stones at Baalbek, the ones in the Ural mountains, the great pyramid itself and its base, also just a fast youtube search turns up these



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5ucwGAYmUg

https://youtu.be/W7124yKFg3U

and that's just a mere fraction of the sites and artifacts that make you begin to question traditional archeological history.

There are so many videos , its like impossible to be totally blind to all them, that's the one thing the internet is great for - people can view many things and not just believe the one version they are told is possibly true.

This post was edited by card_sultan on Aug 20 2015 01:27pm

Just wanted to put this here because i think it's important to realize there is what people want you to think and what is actually true and that they are usually much different.

10 Conspiracy Theories That Turned Out To Be True

the artifacts in this video are incredible

Ya if the church were to turn from jesus as the messiah the entire religion crumbles. Wouldnt make a difference to me as Christianity has always been more about the shift from old testament ideals to newer testament ideals rather than Jesus being the actual son of god. Not to say i dont believe that Jesus was the messiah, simply that i prioritize it less than his actual teachings.



Many of the major architectural monoliths of ancient cultures are indeed mysterious. I tend to think theres alot of manual labor that humans have forgotten, methods that went to the wayside when construction tools advanced. So we look at a MONOLITH and assume its impossible to build by hand. Yet look at the guy in england who raises stones near the size of Stonehenge stones all by himself. Im not a believer in alien intervention in early monolithic culture, i tend to think we just underestimate the old world construction techniques because we dont use them.

that said there are still some stones and parts of monolithic architecture that seem nearly impossible, so the mystery remains.

Yes i agree that if you attribute these sites/facts/artifacts to aliens, you're just looking for some fantastical reasoning to explain archeological history is probably much actually older than previously thought.

More lies about history - 100% proof that the Minoan's were in America 8k-12k years ago

Copper manufacturing site found in Tennessee:



This post was edited by card_sultan on Aug 20 2015 05:32pm

copper culture is by far one of my favorite anthropological subjects. I found a piece of drift copper about 18" down with my metal detector. I took it to the anthro dept at my school and they said it could have been used as a hand tool at one point but it was too damaged to confirm. The piece is about 5" x 2.5", with one side far sharper and worn down than the other. Even if its just drift copper and not a hide scraper like i initially thought its a rare find for my part of the state.

yeah even in that Minoan "proof" video -they suggest that there musta been a rather sophisticated inhabitation of North America , in order to have a copper smelting plant which means they were all over eastern USA at least, so im sure there is copper all over the place and has been mislabeled.

They could do molecular testing because I believe I saw a video about how NA copper has a specific chemical signature, but then you get into the problem of stuffy old University heads of Departments that don't wanna believe anything different than the traditional "Christian" theories. They are really hampering the belief of science being used in Archeology, probably because it wasn't that long ago that it was pretty difficult to suggest anything different than what the Church permitted to be allowable. Its actually pretty incredible that we know practically anything and if they had their way - I'm sure we'd all believe the earth was flat still.

Look at the life of Darwin, when he was alive - 95% of people totally ridiculed his idea about evolution, Or Alan Turing who basically won WW2 with his code breaking and innovation in Computers and AI - hopefully you know that story and what a crime that was and who is ultimately to blame.

Just like they say the 20th century was about biologic understanding, hopefully the 21st is more about Archaeological reasoning.

This post was edited by card_sultan on Aug 21 2015 01:34pm

Im curious, what experience do you have with university archaeologists and anthropologists in general? Youve expressed many times now you feel that anthropologists are stuck in their ways and reject too much. I took anthro courses for 5 years, and have 2 very good friends who are current degree carrying anthropologists, none of them are anything like what you describe. Every anthropologist ive ever met has very few concrete beliefs about any subject, they consistently answer direct questions with answers like "well x might suggest y, but could also be z or a combination of x and z. Or it could be another explanation independent of x and z with no actual connection to y. Or it could be all of these at different times, or none." Also literally no a single anthropologist ive ever met is christian, nor are their research projects hindered by Christians.

on topic: NA copper does have a specific signature, but the smelting of copper is not actually that difficult. It has an incredibly low melting point, can be worked cold in some thicknesses, and doesnt need to be heated by more than a campfire to work even in thick rods. I have blacksmithed a few bronze and copper knives on my forge, and every time the issue is the metal getting too hot.

Well i'm not just talking about Archeology(+ ists) in general, but also what people accept as truth in that much of what is taught or believed is based on traditional religious beliefs, You can't deny that Universities are full of people who were raised to believe certain things. (Again - not everyone - but some certainly are) To understand the entire process of traditional belief is to realize that an idea must go through many different people and anyone of them could choose to disagree for any number of reasons and certainly traditional religious believe can be one of them.

Do you remember when Sinead O'Connor tore up that picture of Pope John Paul on SNL and she went from a World Star to everyone hating her based on not understanding her or her actions. Some people are still quick to make irrational judgements, not everybody - but certain individuals are. The internet is a way around this and many people are finding ways around traditional approaches of promoting ideas and it's a good thing.

ahh understood, i thought your statement was more directed at anthro not a meta statement on the learning process. Anthropoligists are if anything TOO skeptical from what ive seen. My old prof had a funny saying, "ask 3 anthropologists the same question and youll always get 3 different answers." Which could be interpreted to think they are all too quick to form opinions, but really they all hold their opinions fairly lightly, and switch them constantly. that is unless you're arguing about which method men used to migrate to NA, then the gloves come off. Ive always been a berring straight and coastal migration believer but there are a few interesting sites that suggest at least some populations may have been seafaring from Polynesia or other locations.