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Nov 5 2014 08:20pm
I'm not going to say that current theories of evolution are correct...but am I correctly seeing that one of your criticzims of it is that the chances of it happening is like:

"be the same as a blindfolded man finding one marked grain of sand in the desert three times in a row. To get life, you need to get about 200 of those protein molecules together."

...Is that more or less likely than an intelligent being just having always existed with not even a possible explanation as to how?
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Nov 5 2014 09:01pm
Quote (Voyaging @ Nov 5 2014 05:51pm)
And I'll repeat again, you fundamentally misunderstand the second law of thermodynamics and the concept of entropy. You seem to be applying the anthropocentric concept of "chaos" to the physical concept of "entropy". Entropy is a very specific and definable physical concept, and the organization of biological systems in no way contradicts it.

The second law of thermodynamics absolutely applies to living systems. Luckily, there's no conflict.

If you can point out specifically and mathematically where you think the second law is being broken, I'd appreciate it.


Just to add, living systems build themselves by disordering their surroundings to a greater degree than they organize themselves. We take in low entropy molecules (sugars) and release CO2 and by breaking sugars into more particles the entropy is increased.
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Nov 5 2014 09:45pm
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I'm not going to say that current theories of evolution are correct...but am I correctly seeing that one of your criticzims of it is that the chances of it happening is like:

"be the same as a blindfolded man finding one marked grain of sand in the desert three times in a row. To get life, you need to get about 200 of those protein molecules together."

...Is that more or less likely than an intelligent being just having always existed with not even a possible explanation as to how?


I believe in a creator. I have faith that there is one.

Something didn't come from nothing. Who or what made the universe?

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Nov 5 2014 10:01pm
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I believe in a creator. I have faith that there is one.

Something didn't come from nothing. Who or what made the universe?


So God is not something?

The cosmological argument is pretty demonstrably silly. Why is the quality of eternalism applicable to God but not the universe?
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Nov 5 2014 10:54pm

If the universe is eternal then there has to be a cause. The universe cannot cause itself, so the cause must transcend physical reality. There is no infinite regress. Eventually you arrive at a necessary being to explain all contingent life.

If that necessary being is not God, then what Is it.
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Nov 5 2014 11:37pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Nov 1 2014 12:09pm)
There is no pinnacle of evolution.... And if there is its literally every organism alive today


Obviously I was referring to evolution in its current state. I pointed that out in my previous posts.
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Nov 5 2014 11:42pm
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That is the butter to the bread everyone, thank you for proving your ignorance.

Duration of education
Ranked 160th. Russia
Ranked 51st.Usa

Literacy > Reading performance
Ranked 41st. Russia
Ranked 8th.  Usa

College and university Enrollment (% of population)
Ranked 75th. russia
Ranked 46th. usa 89% more than Russia

Scientific and technical journal articles per million
Ranked 34th. Russia
Ranked 13th.  usa (7 times more than Russia)

Elementary school repeaters
Ranked 98th.russia
Ranked 116th. usa

Population withat leasthigh school education
Ranked 18th. Russia
Ranked 14th.  Usa


Gross National Income 
Ranked 17th. Russia -$253.00 billion
Ranked 1st. USA -  $9.78 trillion (((39 times more than Russia)))
Economy - GDP
Ranked 9th. Russia - $2.01 trillion 
Ranked 2nd. USA - $15.68 trillion  (8 times more than Russia)

People > Death rate
Ranked 10th.  Russia- 13.97 deaths/1,000 population  67% more than United States
Ranked 88th.    Usa- 8.39 deaths/1,000 population


Fortunately I live in Canada now.

Scientific and technical journal articles per million
Ranked 9th. Canada
Ranked 13th. usa

Literacy > Reading performance
Ranked 4th. Canada
Ranked 15th Usa

Population with at least high school education
Ranked 3rd. Canada
Ranked 22nd. Usa

And so on and so forth, you get the idea.


By the way, here's some interesting read for you:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2014/09/13/24-7-wall-st-most-educated-countries/15460733/
That's less than 2 months old.
Russia at #1 and Canada at #2. USA sitting at #5. Ouch. That's 5 times worse than Russia, the way you've been counting.
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No thanks, not interested in living in the US. And do please show me where I said I lived somewhere OTHER than Canada.
As far as the link, I'll take well-established and internationally formed and known organizations working together with the governments of the countries in question over... well... some guy at Duke University with a blog. Thanks for the laugh, though!

edit: By the way, even this random guy you dug up from somewhere agrees with me. Strictly speaking, what I said was:

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We all know how educated your average countryman is :)


and he says

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And it is true that, on average, American students and adults are rather mediocre.

What he's measuring is "brainpower", which is a function of sheer population numbers, which obviously favors countries with large populations like the US. The more people you have the more "brainpower" there is, even if the majority of them are dumb as a post. And they didn't even count how many kids actually did well on test scores. They just took the best scores and assumed that's 1% of the population. A country with a billion idiots and 1 super smart guy would have ranked a clear #1 on his chart. Quantity over quality is the best you can do, I guess.

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Nov 6 2014 05:52pm
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I believe in a creator. I have faith that there is one.

Something didn't come from nothing. Who or what made the universe?


So your explaination to your answer is you have faith but you can't believe someone might have faith in something as rare as

"a blindfolded man finding one marked grain of sand in the desert three times in a row. To get life, you need to get about 200 of those protein molecules together."



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