The sad thing is I've heard all this before, many times. We don't even need to consider the electric universe theory for 1 simple reason:

It is impossible for 3 or more objects to exert an attractive force on each other through electromagnetism. If you don't see why IMMEDIATELY you are probably in way over your head but I'll give you a hint: think about the electric charge each object would need to have to produce it...

I thought this was pretty awesome. I saw this about 2 weeks ago.

I have a pretty good grasp on all modern theories, and anywaysI'm just defending myself from getting attacked for posting a simple link to a movie like the thread was asking for, wasn't looking to start a war with thermodynamics based physics, even though i strongly disagree with that theory and all theories stemming from that, and also disagree with all purely mathematical theories like string/quantum/holograph

just to give some background on myself I started studying physics in college, but decided to do it independently in my free time because I didn't like the ideas that were taught as fact, I approach it from the angle of a musician, because studying the harmonics of sound is what got me interested in physics, if I had to guess, you guys sound like some pissed off math students that just solve equations for your professors without doing much critical thinking

and i have said this before, the electric universe theory is far from perfect, partly because it is based on the debunked nuclear atom model, invoking the imaginary electron particle of zero volume, however, that being said, it is a nice counter balance and brings up many valid points that mainstream blatantly ignores, but i believe the future is moving towards a model of physics more based on the electrical universe, than any of the outdated models they still teach in universities which are all far behind the curve for keeping up with modern science

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and on a side note I have found the english language lacks the words needed to describe some of the ideas of physics properly, or at the very least redefine the definitions of terms that are used loosely or have been misused horribly by sciences, religions, and most importantly new age spiritualists

This post was edited by Skydaddy on Feb 25 2014 05:39pm

So I guess you are not going to do it. I should only take a few seconds... Just image 3 objects: A, B, C.... and just assign each of them a charge that will make them all attract each other... Just respond with something like A= -1, B=+1, C+=-1 (of course this solution does not work, I'm asking you for one that does work). It is as simple as that... Since you "have a good grasp on all modern theories" it shouldn't take you more than a few seconds... This is your big chance to prove a big jerk like me wrong! To show all the naysayers up! Somehow I doubt you ever will, and will just continue to make vacuous pronouncements...


Funny, I wasn't taught any "facts" in physics classes, we derived them ourselves...

i dont even know what you are talking about, i dont work well with hypothetical situations, please give me a real one, and i might be able to help you, this is what i was saying about theory craft, i dont care about theory crafts without real application, i just go out and do things in real life, whats the point of a hypothetical situation, lets talk real experiments please

Ok in real life, we observe Jupiter and its moon. We observe that there is a force pushing each moon towards Jupiter, and that there is a force pushing Jupiter towards each moon. Additionally there is a force pushing every moon towards every other moon.

There are only two types of electric charges, positive charges and negative charges, each body must have either a positive, negative or zero total charge. To keep it simple, lets just consider 3 bodies: Jupiter, Europa, and Io. What possible electric charge could these bodies have to produce the observation? For example, we could try the following:

Jupiter = negative charge
Io = positive charge
Europa = positive charge

This almost works, there will be an attraction between Jupiter and Io, and Jupiter and Europa, but there will be a repulsive force between Io and Europa, so ultimately this set up fails to match the observation. Please provide a setup that would fit the observations. There only a handful of possible combinations so what I'm asking should only take a couple minutes of your time...


footnote:And if you don't like Jupiter as an example, use the Solar system (the sun and the planets), or the galaxy (the stars in the galaxy), or the local group (group of galaxies).

oh i see what your saying, I don't want to get technical but there are technically 4 electrical charges if you study the math of steinmetz, but that is beyond the scope of this conversation,
to answer your question simply, electrical charge/attraction is not what holds the heavenly bodies in orbit, I am honestly not an expert in this area, and still learning myself, so I could attempt to explain my conception, but it would come across poorly, and much of what i "know" is borrowing other people's ideas because I haven't even began experiments in this subject, but its definitely the direction I'm heading in

Bullshit meter just hit 100%. I would like to see evidence for that claim since it contradicts every electrical experiment I've ever even heard of. I'd also like to see a citation from Steinmetz expounding that idea, because I'm pretty sure that is bullshit as well. Also, when are they gonna start coming out with batteries with 4 terminals so we can use these other charges?

Also 4 linearly independent charges would only solve the problem for 4 bodies, not 5 or more. Every body in the system needs its own distinct charge for it to work. A galaxy has billions of stars, you would need billions of linearly independent charges! Also why are you appealing to "steinmetz's math" since you just told us:


Then you should probably stop spouting the "electric universe" bullshit because that is the corner stone of their claims!


That is becoming more and more clear. But its funny, because you told us:

There is a really awesome to watch and easy for non physicists (but ppl interested in physics) to underatand series with MK. SciFi Science. I have searched through the internet and found all 2 seasons in best quality avaliable and in english. If you want them or a single episode to have a look, pm me.
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