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Oct 7 2013 08:32am
Quote (Immortal0 @ 7 Oct 2013 13:47)
... I know that time is not contiguous, so what happens in your dream-state is not relative to when you are asleep or awake. You stay asleep until one or two things have happened, the defrag and cleaner have completed, successfully been stopped, or you have died. ...


highly interesting what you say there
do i understand right that you consider 3 states: dream-state / asleep / awake?
could you please elaborate on that, ideally with a clear definition of each of those states
also please provide a clearer definition what you mean with 'time is not contiguous'
does that mean 'discrete'? and contiguous or not, is time sequential and/or is there any continuity?

if you could provide any at least minimally reasonable reference as well that would be amazing :)

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Oct 7 2013 09:33am
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yeah, (as others have pointed out), the fact that you don't even understand my criticism is quite telling....


Quote (Azrad @ Oct 7 2013 10:22am)
I see we got a new crackpot in the science section...




Quote (Azrad @ Oct 7 2013 11:40am)
User is interested in what you have to say, ask for data/references. Your response:

:rofl:
The hallmark of a crackpot is when they are asked to substantiate a claim, they cry that you need to make their case for them.


Hey man, don't spew that shit here. This section is for intellectual conversation, not dimwitted bs. If you have got a problem with my form of intelligence or articulation form a reason and say it so we can find a solution and get back on-topic.

No one wants to see those shitposts.


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Quote (brmv @ Oct 7 2013 10:32am)
highly interesting what you say there
do i understand right that you consider 3 states: dream-state / asleep / awake?
could you please elaborate on that, ideally with a clear definition of each of those states
also please provide a clearer definition what you mean with 'time is not contiguous'
does that mean 'discrete'? and contiguous or not, is time sequential and/or is there any continuity?

if you could provide any at least minimally reasonable reference as well that would be amazing  :)


No. Do it yourself.
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Time happens one moment after another. This is not directly or indirectly related to your perception of one moment to the next. You are a small percent of the vast universal moment. The time it takes you to lift your finger to type a key has infinite moments between it.
Furthermore, into the aspect of dreaming moments, there is no sound explanation as to when the moments are happening given the state of perception is undefined. Therefore, all the information from your dream-state cannot be simply defined within the hours you and the ones you know acknowledged you were asleep.


time
Noun /tīm/
The indefinite continued progress of existence and events in the past, present, and future regarded as a whole

con·tig·u·ous
Adjective /kənˈtigyo͞oəs/
Sharing a common border; touching; next or together in sequence

No matter how in-depth our history books or the Internet record becomes, it will never fully achieved a state in which it knows what happened before, or after the fact.

Therefore, 10,000 years ago could be when events take place next year. There is no way we can truly know in which time has progressed given our momentary field of random conceived perception.

We come into the mental picture roughly 2,000,000 years ago (hazey don't get hung up on that) and if you base that, that's no way possible to have collected information that defines what happened when.

If you think of the phrase "History repeats itself." The Universal age date is accepted currently at 13,770,000,000 years. In this discussion we are basing human perception at 2m in opposition to 13.77b.
How many times could our entire human history have happened within those years? There is absolutely no way we can know whether every single event in our lives, in our past, present, and future have not already happened to the T of perfected similarity. Each time making more and more sense.
Given that one action can have infinite perspectives, everything happening exactly the same over and over could still yield a different universal understanding as to why, what, and so on.

I could go on, but this place has a difficulty with freely expressed ideas without inferior baseless grounding.


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No. Do it yourself.

:rofl:
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Oct 7 2013 10:29am
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I could go on, but this place has a difficulty with freely expressed ideas without inferior baseless grounding.

wat

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Therefore, 10,000 years ago could be when events take place next year. There is no way we can truly know in which time has progressed given our momentary field of random conceived perception.


Besides carbon dating, peering into the depths of space, examining ancient fossils, etc.

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Quote (Immortal0 @ Oct 7 2013 08:33am)
There is absolutely no way we can know whether every single event in our lives, in our past, present, and future have not already happened to the T of perfected similarity. Each time making more and more sense.
That does not seems to be working out for you... Maybe if you post it another 50 million times...

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Oct 7 2013 11:58am
[thread]Stupefied[/thread]
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Oct 7 2013 12:43pm
Quote (Immortal0 @ Oct 7 2013 10:58am)
[thread]Stupefied[/thread]


the irony is overwhelming
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Oct 7 2013 01:37pm
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the irony is overwhelming


I'd imagine being overwhelmed is common for you.
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Oct 7 2013 03:08pm
Quote (Immortal0 @ 7 Oct 2013 15:33)
...No. Do it yourself....


what a pity that you do not want to supply me with some more of your 'reasoning' on those issues
one of the subjects i am interested in is the way the brain of someone with some mental anomaly works
regardless if that is due to oxygen deprivation, physical injury, chemical imbalance or genetically
so unfortunately i have to make do with only weakly associated fragments of wording, sad
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Oct 7 2013 03:13pm
Quote (Immortal0 @ 7 Oct 2013 14:47)
You're on your way, using those types of explanations via complex expressions are vastly more informative, because 2013, everyone uses a computer, and making relations to them explains things much more clearly.
Though, you might want to explain more as to why it is like a hard disk defrag, rather than it just being that way.
I do agree with everything you said to a point. That it is like a hard disk defrag, in relation to it takes all the information and memories we formed while awake and scans them, processes them, then compiles them down into a more free-state, like extra space on the hard-drive.
In addition to the extra time to think and solve problems; I know that time is not contiguous, so what happens in your dream-state is not relative to when you are asleep or awake. You stay asleep until one or two things have happened, the defrag and cleaner have completed, successfully been stopped, or you have died.
Really you could think of sleep in two components; CCleaner and Defraggler by Piriform. To compress and create free-space by resolving illogical problems and redundancies.
Of course, how it does any of that is completely speculation.



dreaming is a recovery, a chemical & electrical re-balance, it's necessary.
the "compression" representation is pretty nice, the global function of properly reorganizing data...

it's a selection factor in the context of "evolution", meaning it may even provide more than a simple maintenance.


brickheads may try to pollute another place ? thanks

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