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Aug 28 2012 11:20pm
Quote (Killerme99 @ Aug 28 2012 08:03am)
lol you will definitely feel "high" if u take a decent amount of Marinol


yeah if you abuse it maybe.....

Quote (Caedus @ Aug 28 2012 02:45pm)
All treatable by other medication, medication that doesn't cause mental illness.


this... i would leave medicating to the professionals...





inb4 conspiracy about skewed market etc etc
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Aug 28 2012 11:28pm
Quote (Caedus @ Aug 28 2012 05:45pm)
All treatable by other medication, medication that doesn't cause mental illness.


the mental illness tends to occur in adults who smoked as teenagers, simply limiting it to 18+ or 21+ would be effective in preventing mental illness.
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Aug 29 2012 07:44am
Quote (Ylem122 @ Aug 28 2012 10:28pm)
the mental illness tends to occur in adults who smoked as teenagers, simply limiting it to 18+ or 21+ would be effective in preventing mental illness.




response from a political standpoint:

nice assumption...


more tests are needed to prove this either right or wrong..
until then it remains illegal and money will be spent to enforce its illegality.

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Aug 29 2012 08:15am
Quote (Caedus @ Aug 27 2012 05:39am)
Who cares that more people drink alcohol than smoke marijuana? That's completely irrelevant.

Marijuana is abused just as much as alcohol is relative to the number of people who do it. The only reason you hear about alcohol is it is legal, and marijuana is not. Alcohol in moderation is beneficial, no one is saying it's safe in large quantiites, nor that everyone who drinks is responsbile. It's only the naive and clueless propreitors of marijuana who take such offense when someone says marijuana "isn't good" for you and can do harm. 3-4 joints a weak is substantial and is enough to significantly increase a persons chance of mental illness if they are still in their developing years (Under 22). Unlike alcohol, which's use is widespread across all age levels, the vast majority of active marijuana smokers are under 30 and the largest portion of that group are in post-secondary or highschool. The years where cannabis affects brain development, and unlike alcohol is doesn't take being an alcoholic to feel the effects.

Doesn't really matter though, because you won't have anything to say. You'll continue to spew the nonsense that marijuana is completely safe just because you can't overdose on it.


Firstly, bolded part = your opinion.
Yes, alcohol is legal and marijuana is not.. probably the first correct statement you've said yet. Though you're completely missing the issue, which is WHY is marijuana illegal and alcohol not?
Actually, alcohol is much worse for adulescents than marijuana is. Moderation? There is little moderation among alcohol consumers, and the benefits of 'moderate alcohol consumption' are next to nothing compared to benefits from moderate marijuana usage.
Hmm, maybe those "naive and clueless propreitors of marijuana" take offence from uneducated and just plain ignorant claims.
Alcohol is worse, and largely more mainstream - especially among teenages.. yet it is much more socially acceptable and less strictly enforced.

I never said marijuana is completely safe. I don't dismiss the claim that you can potentially develop a mental illness from excessive use.

Quote (TJI_KS @ Aug 28 2012 03:38am)
1) yes ive been high.. lots of times.. i used it as a social crutch.. hung out with the type of idiots who become conspiracy theorists and burnouts...
occasionally there was the yuppie trying to be a rasta squatter type.

2) how many times have you driven a vehicle high? how many times have you taken a trip to the store after getting high? how many decisions do you make while you are high? alcohol being legal doesnt justify the use of pot for recreational purposes especially whan it cant be regulated yet.

3) way to try and twist my words... i didnt use the term "dangerous"
the foreign matter in the pot that you smoke makes tar and ash when its burnt. prescribed marinol or dronabinol or any cannabinoids do not when taken and they do not induce psychoactive effects.


part 1) - none of that has any importance.
part 2) - no, i've never driven while high. I am not stupid. If you're going to get high, atleast try be smart about it.. have your shit prepared before hand. You can't say marijuana is bad because you were too stupid to get your shit together and have weak will power.
part 3) - You want to reduce the tar? Use a vaporizer.

Quote (Caedus @ Aug 29 2012 08:45am)
All treatable by other medication, medication that doesn't cause mental illness.


You keep claiming marijuana will cause mental illness. No.
Excessive usage from young adolscents to adulthood could potentially develop schizophrenia, otherwise, your claim isn't well-founded.

Quote (TJI_KS @ Aug 29 2012 04:20pm)
this... i would leave medicating to the professionals...

inb4 conspiracy about skewed market etc etc


Oh yeah, those professionals that used to prescribe marijuana, and many still believe it is the better medication.

And why is marijuana not legal for medicinal purposes? Because they can't make money off of it. You cannot patent a naturally occuring plant, hence their creation of synthetic cannabinoids that have unknown effects (Marinol etc).
You can patent a molecule thats analogous to THC but you can't patent THC. Those companies don't care if it's safer for the patient, or if it's more effective.. they're out to turn a profit and the way to do that is selling you expensive and dangerous chemicals.
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Firstly, bolded part = your opinion.
Yes, alcohol is legal and marijuana is not.. probably the first correct statement you've said yet. Though you're completely missing the issue, which is WHY is marijuana illegal and alcohol not?
Actually, alcohol is much worse for adulescents than marijuana is. Moderation? There is little moderation among alcohol consumers, and the benefits of 'moderate alcohol consumption' are next to nothing compared to benefits from moderate marijuana usage.
Hmm, maybe those "naive and clueless propreitors of marijuana" take offence from uneducated and just plain ignorant claims.
Alcohol is worse, and largely more mainstream - especially among teenages.. yet it is much more socially acceptable and less strictly enforced.

I never said marijuana is completely safe. I don't dismiss the claim that you can potentially develop a mental illness from excessive use.



part 1) - none of that has any importance.
part 2) - no, i've never driven while high. I am not stupid. If you're going to get high, atleast try be smart about it.. have your shit prepared before hand. You can't say marijuana is bad because you were too stupid to get your shit together and have weak will power.
part 3) - You want to reduce the tar? Use a vaporizer.



You keep claiming marijuana will cause mental illness. No.
Excessive usage from young adolscents to adulthood could potentially develop schizophrenia, otherwise, your claim isn't well-founded.



Oh yeah, those professionals that used to prescribe marijuana, and many still believe it is the better medication.

And why is marijuana not legal for medicinal purposes? Because they can't make money off of it. You cannot patent a naturally occuring plant, hence their creation of synthetic cannabinoids that have unknown effects (Marinol etc).
You can patent a molecule thats analogous to THC but you can't patent THC. Those companies don't care if it's safer for the patient, or if it's more effective.. they're out to turn a profit and the way to do that is selling you expensive and dangerous chemicals.



the only "professionals" that "prescribe" pot are the heads who want to use it in order to get high...
smoking pot isnt good for you at all... smoking anything isnt good for you at all..
what isnt good for you is bad for you.


also hemp =/= pot... its the other way around... if the government wanted to make money off of hemp farms im sure they would use some kind of non psychoactive strain of hemp.
so that only leaves recreational use... sucks to be a pothead because they will never prove results in a real medical test approved by the FDA and pot will never be completely legal.

hth!
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Aug 29 2012 10:13am
Quote (TJI_KS @ Aug 29 2012 11:07am)
the only "professionals" that "prescribe" pot are the heads who want to use it in order to get high...

smoking pot isnt good for you at all... smoking anything isnt good for you at all..

what isnt good for you is bad for you.

also hemp =/= pot... its the other way around... if the government wanted to make money off of hemp farms im sure they would use some kind of non psychoactive strain of hemp.
so that only leaves recreational use... sucks to be a pothead because they will never prove results in a real medical test approved by the FDA and pot will never be completely legal.

hth!


Not true. Though even if it were I would much rather have a doctor who was more interested about the positive effects of this plant, than a doctor who prescribes name brand medicine over generic so they could make an easy buck.

That is a pretty big logical leap. You can vape and not do damage to young lungs. The gov doesn't care about us smoking, see cigarettes.

The world isn't that two sided. There are plenty of things that fall into a middle category. As always moderation is key.

It's only a matter of time until it is legalized. Especially with the access to information that people have today. A lot less people are falling for the refer madness scare tactics.

Marijuana isn't bad for you.

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Aug 29 2012 10:22am
Quote (toyake @ Aug 29 2012 11:13am)
Marijuana isn't bad for you.


yes it is.

marijuana can cost you your freedom, your family, everything you've worked for.
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Aug 29 2012 10:34am
Quote (Subwoofer @ Aug 29 2012 12:22pm)
yes it is.

marijuana can cost you your freedom, your family, everything you've worked for.


Sounds like the gov is doing that and not the plant
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Aug 29 2012 10:35am
Quote (toyake @ Aug 29 2012 09:13am)
Marijuana isn't bad for you.


smoking anything is bad for you... quit twisting what i say
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Aug 29 2012 10:39am
Quote (toyake @ Aug 29 2012 11:34am)
Sounds like the gov is doing that and not the plant


the government made you use/possess marijuana?

didn't think so.
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