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Dec 30 2010 09:41pm
Quote (Black487 @ Dec 30 2010 03:20am)
The aspect that makes science so much superior is that it is self-correcting based on the available evidence. 

Religion makes observations, and asks how the evidence can be used to support its preconceived notion meanwhile discounting evidence that suggests to the contrary. Science makes observations and see's where the evidence actually leads.  Theories are explanations for a collections of facts.  Animals changing over time is a fact, evolution is the explanation as to why.    If new evidence arrises, the theory will be corrected to account for this evidence or scrapped altogether for a superior and even more well-supported theory. 

The fact that religion remains stagnant on issues is actually a grave weakness.


the truth doesnt change ;) remember that. imaginations do.
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Dec 30 2010 09:42pm
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Some random kids random theory about something is not in any way shape or form the same thing as a formal scientific theory. Actual scientific theories undergo a lot of testing and peer review before being generally accepted as theory. Just because something isn't a scientific LAW does not mean it isn't science.



1. What the hell does the big bang have to do with evolution? The big bang is a theory describing the origins and development of the universe as a whole. It largely deals with things such as protons, electrons and smaller particles as well as the development of galaxies and large structures in the universe. (also... the big bang theory doesn't say jack about how existence exploded out of nothing. it simply tries to explain the evolution of the universe after those first couple billionths of a second.) Evolution is focused entirely on describing the development and diversity of the many species on this planet.

2. I suppose this is true. A handful of planets/moons that we have barely explored is certainly proof that its impossible for life to form under the proper conditions with out some kind of higher being's involvement. I've never won the lottery either so i'm pretty sure it's impossible...    :rolleyes:

4. What is the oldest piece of paper you have with your own writing on it? Were you not growing and developing before this scrap of paper with a scribble was created?

5. I'm not that well informed about the fossil record but just because we don't have a fossil from every single generation between us and monkeys or birds and dinosaurs doesn't mean this link doesn't exist. Fossil's are extremely rare, for all the many many millions of species that have ever lived on the planet we have a very low % of their fossils.



Have you ever heard of exponential growth? Look at how fast our species has changed in the last 100 years compared to the previous few thousand years. Pretty amazing isn't it.

Today the majority of the worlds population can access global news minutes or hours after it happens and talk to anyone else with access to a computer almost anywhere on the planet. A couple hundred years ago it took weeks or months to get news about the rest of the world or to send a letter a couple thousand miles. A couple thousand years ago you would likely never receive any information in your entire lifetime on the happenings of the world just a few hundred miles away.

We've gone from using basic tools made of stone and bronze for hunting to creating more advanced devices and using animals for farming and agriculture. Now in the past century we've developed complex devices and machinery to gather our food thousands of people at a time.

The growth and technology curve starts out slowly. Why would you expect the same growth rate in technology for the last hundred years as you would expect in the last 2,000, or 400,000. It's pretty difficult to create new things and discover technologies when the extent of your math and science knowledge is "myself and my tribe will die if i don't bring them enough food."


without big bang evolution cant happen. bible talks of no such thing, only says of "kind bringing after its own kind"
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Dec 30 2010 09:46pm
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LOL.
where in evolution does it say that life appeared from lifeless rock. there was an experiment done to show how amino acids can form together given the proper conditions similar to those billions of years ago.

the oldest fossils already found show no transition? how so. theres a range of hominids found ranging from 1.5 mya - 4.5 mya

do you have any idea of what mitochrondria and chloroplasts are thought of as being?


well where does life come from? the earth was a lifeless rock. then it rained on the rock for a long time and life emerged from it. u dont even know wat u believe in do u :huh:

that experiment was atotal waste of time, go research more into it u probably heard it from someone and believe it to be true.

none of those hominids show transition.

right.... theyr "thought as" of being..... lol. i can think many things too.
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Dec 30 2010 10:39pm
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well where does life come from? the earth was a lifeless rock. then it rained on the rock for a long time and life emerged from it.  u dont even know wat u believe in do u  :huh:

that experiment was atotal waste of time, go research more into it u probably heard it from someone and believe it to be true.

none of those hominids show transition. 

right.... theyr "thought as" of being..... lol. i can think many things too.


rained? LOL, the theory of evolution believes that life emerged from water seeing as cells are mainly composed of water. the experiment wasnt a total waste, it shows that amino acids can be formed from elements given proper conditions

and actually most of the hominids show transition. "you probably heard it from someone and believe it to be true."
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Dec 31 2010 12:21am
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human teeth found in a layer of soil dated 400k years old, evolution has to be rewritten yet once again. 

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101227/aponremiea/mlisraelancientteeth

amazing how people see how mistaken they were about most things in evolution as they make new discoveries thru time.

the obviousness theyr not considering here is that those teeth were from someone that drowned in the great flood and not really someone that lived 410958 years ago.

the theory has always said man originated from africa, now it will be rewritten as to say man originated from israel.


you mad? that science is always getting more knowledge?

nothing can be 100% proven because you never have 100% of the facts theory s are that a statement that must stand against facts trying to rip it down

dont be butt hurt because science and archeology is progressing and changing because new information is found

Quote (d2iaf @ Dec 30 2010 10:46pm)
well where does life come from? the earth was a lifeless rock. then it rained on the rock for a long time and life emerged from it.  u dont even know wat u believe in do u  :huh:

that experiment was atotal waste of time, go research more into it u probably heard it from someone and believe it to be true.

none of those hominids show transition. 

right.... theyr "thought as" of being..... lol. i can think many things too.


na the research is right

it was proving the amenio acids and other materials would group together and form "bubbles" which was the foundation for cell walls so the important information "dna, nucleus etc" could be safe

This post was edited by five33 on Dec 31 2010 12:24am
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Dec 31 2010 02:47am
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without big bang evolution cant happen.  bible talks of no such thing, only says of "kind bringing after its own kind"


So... did you even read what i said? The big bang theory has absolutely nothing to do with the theory of evolution. Even if the earth and sun were the only planet and star that had ever existed in the universe the theory of evolution would still be valid for explaining the development of life here. These two theories are dealing with entirely different subjects and are completely independent of one another.
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Jan 2 2011 10:40pm
You don't have the slighest clue about how evolution works. Read more or preferably take some universities classes on the topic (assuming you're at uni?). After you properly understand the theory, come back and post. Until then, it's really better that you don't embarrass yourself.
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Jan 4 2011 01:34pm
Quote (d2iaf @ Dec 30 2010 11:41pm)
the truth doesnt change ;) remember that. imaginations do.


Truth may indeed may not necessarily change. You're welcome to properly address my previous comment at any time btw.

This post was edited by Black487 on Jan 4 2011 01:34pm
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Jan 4 2011 02:42pm
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Truth may indeed may not necessarily change.  You're welcome to properly address my previous comment at any time btw.

He's trying to say that religion doesn't need to change because it's the truth, even though there's literally zero non-scriptural (i.e. non-biased) reason to believe there is any intelligent designer that has played a part in the existence of life on Earth (let alone an intelligent designer that's played a part in anything at all).

I wouldn't expect you to wait for him to address your comment, though. Ignoring contrary arguments and evidence is the only way to possibly believe in Creationism.
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Jan 4 2011 02:55pm
Thats really cool, but like the article mentions, its not necessarily homo sapiens
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