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Dec 22 2010 03:21pm
Quote (Psycho- @ 22 Dec 2010 15:08)
kids would still continue to use more dangerous drugs. weed while notably not as dangerous as other recreational drugs is still a recreational drug.



again its apples and oranges. you cannot compare it to alcohol and cigs and say well they are bad to so it should be allowed to. thats just saying you don't give a shit about your health and wanna get high cause you like it.

also im speaking of non-medical use

the only valid points you made was the cost of prisoners in which case for the minor infractions issue fines not jail time and that would cut down on a lot of the lesser criminals in jail.


Yes we can. How legitimate can any argument be if the same people who are allowing alcohol are villianizing marijuana? The similarities are staggering
And even non medical use, it should still be legal. If people are allowed to trash themselves with destructive things like Monster Enegry Drinks, then pot should certainally be allowed for those who would like to do it. Any argument to say "its bad for your health" is invalid cuz we already have things like alcohol or other retarded poisons that are legal.

But if it was legal, i would want it where it can only be smoked on private property, in peoples homes, or in public facilities that are designed for that. People should not be allowed to smoke joints on the street; im not into that since i dont choose to smoke myself.

people should be able to choose if they want to smoke it or not, and not have to face legal conquences
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Dec 22 2010 03:24pm
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Yes we can. How legitimate can any argument be if the same people who are allowing alcohol are villianizing marijuana? The similarities are staggering
And even non medical use, it should still be legal. If people are allowed to trash themselves with destructive things like Monster Enegry Drinks, then pot should certainally be allowed for those who would like to do it. Any argument to say "its bad for your health" is invalid cuz we already have things like alcohol or other retarded poisons that are legal.

But if it was legal, i would want it where it can only be smoked on private property, in peoples homes, or in public facilities that are designed for that. People should not be allowed to smoke joints on the street; im not into that since i dont choose to smoke myself.

people should be able to choose if they want to smoke it or not, and not have to face legal conquences


Agreed 100% the government cannot say "it's bad for you so you aren't allowed to do it" if that were the case Mcdonalds should have been banned years ago.
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Dec 22 2010 04:00pm
Quote (Toothfariy @ Dec 22 2010 04:21pm)
Yes we can. How legitimate can any argument be if the same people who are allowing alcohol are villianizing marijuana? The similarities are staggering
And even non medical use, it should still be legal. If people are allowed to trash themselves with destructive things like Monster Enegry Drinks, then pot should certainally be allowed for those who would like to do it. Any argument to say "its bad for your health" is invalid cuz we already have things like alcohol or other retarded poisons that are legal.

But if it was legal, i would want it where it can only be smoked on private property, in peoples homes, or in public facilities that are designed for that. People should not be allowed to smoke joints on the street; im not into that since i dont choose to smoke myself.

people should be able to choose if they want to smoke it or not, and not have to face legal conquences


you are argument starts out being true but the end doesn't fit. you are saying "other stuff thats legal is bad for you so lets get some more bad stuff legal just because!". why legalize more bad things instead of making the other bad things illegal to? because most people feel too strongly about it being legal? well most people who vote don't support marijuana so thats why its illegal and continue to be illegal..the voters say no.
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Dec 22 2010 06:54pm
Quote (Psycho- @ Dec 22 2010 10:00pm)
you are argument starts out being true but the end doesn't fit. you are saying "other stuff thats legal is bad for you so lets get some more bad stuff legal just because!". why legalize more bad things instead of  making the other bad things illegal to? because most people feel too strongly about it being legal? well most people who vote don't support marijuana so thats why its illegal and continue to be illegal..the voters say no.


LOL

Really?

I've seen people use your in the place of you're, and I've seen people use you're in the place of your, but I've never seen someone use you are in the place of your.
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LOL

Really?

I've seen people use your in the place of you're, and I've seen people use you're in the place of your, but I've never seen someone use you are in the place of your.


lol whats funny is i actually fucked it up worse when i fixed it and didn't even notice. i typed youre first and went wait wtf wrong one and actually made it worse. i honestly dunno how i managed it lol.

pretty funny thanks for pointing that out i honestly am lol'ing at my own fail.

This post was edited by Psycho- on Dec 22 2010 07:14pm
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I usually don't post here or in any topics about marijuana or legalization but some posts in this thread are straight ridiculous.

Keeping weed illegal and especially as a schedule I drug sends the wrong completely wrong message to everyone. To classify weed as a more harmful drug then say heroin or coke is asinine, and once people see for themselves weed isn't anywhere near as harmful as it's made out to be makes people ponder about exactly how dangerous other illegal substances are.

People have to go through dealers aka criminals to get weed, those same dealers often deal other drugs such as e, pills, coke, etc. etc. by legalizing it you cut out that contact, and I guarantee decrease other drug use.

But meh what does my opinion matter anyway, I'm clearly a biased doped up loser who's too stoned to see the real dangers of cannabis.

Edit: The war on drugs has clearly failed. IMO the best way to deal with them is to make them legal and stop lying and falsifying facts and tell the true benefits/harms and effects of each drug, and let people decide for themselves if it's something they want to do.

This post was edited by Mirage420 on Dec 22 2010 07:42pm
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Dec 22 2010 08:01pm
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I usually don't post here or in any topics about marijuana or legalization but some posts in this thread are straight ridiculous.

Keeping weed illegal and especially as a schedule I drug sends the wrong completely wrong message to everyone.  To classify weed as a more harmful drug then say heroin or coke is asinine, and once people see for themselves weed isn't anywhere near as harmful as it's made out to be makes people ponder about exactly how dangerous other illegal substances are.

People have to go through dealers aka criminals to get weed, those same dealers often deal other drugs such as e, pills, coke, etc. etc. by legalizing it you cut out that contact, and I guarantee decrease other drug use.

But meh what does my opinion matter anyway, I'm clearly a biased doped up loser who's too stoned to see the real dangers of cannabis.

Edit: The war on drugs has clearly failed. IMO the best way to deal with them is to make them legal and stop lying and falsifying facts and tell the true benefits/harms and effects of each drug, and let people decide for themselves if it's something they want to do.


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Dec 22 2010 08:23pm
Quote (Mirage420 @ Dec 22 2010 08:37pm)
I usually don't post here or in any topics about marijuana or legalization but some posts in this thread are straight ridiculous.

Keeping weed illegal and especially as a schedule I drug sends the wrong completely wrong message to everyone.  To classify weed as a more harmful drug then say heroin or coke is asinine, and once people see for themselves weed isn't anywhere near as harmful as it's made out to be makes people ponder about exactly how dangerous other illegal substances are.

People have to go through dealers aka criminals to get weed, those same dealers often deal other drugs such as e, pills, coke, etc. etc. by legalizing it you cut out that contact, and I guarantee decrease other drug use.

But meh what does my opinion matter anyway, I'm clearly a biased doped up loser who's too stoned to see the real dangers of cannabis.

Edit: The war on drugs has clearly failed. IMO the best way to deal with them is to make them legal and stop lying and falsifying facts and tell the true benefits/harms and effects of each drug, and let people decide for themselves if it's something they want to do.


making weed legal will not make any real difference in people using other drugs. once someone starts enjoying getting high a lot they move onto other forms of drugs to see if its better thats just the way it is.

the only way it should see any form of legality is medical reasons NOT just so people can get high.

pros and cons for recreational marijuana becoming legal.

pro:people get high because they like it(the only reason anyone really wants it legal for recreational use)

cons:its bad for you(dont waste the time saying well others are worse cause thats not a reason to give people another harmful thing)
makes people less productive in general
people using it for fun on a night out become dangerous driver much quicker than people drinking
too fast acting to safe in public

the only other points people make are economical reasons which not enough research has gone into to even legitimately use it for an argument.
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less people in jail which could be fixed by removing jail time as punishment and reducing it to like community service/fines for the lesser marijuana offenses that send people to jail.
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Dec 22 2010 08:29pm
Quote (Psycho- @ Dec 22 2010 07:23pm)
making weed legal will not make any real difference in people using other drugs.once someone starts enjoying getting high a lot they move onto other forms of drugs to see if its better thats just the way it is.

the only way it should see any form of legality is medical reasons NOT just so people can get high.

pros and cons for recreational marijuana becoming legal.

pro:people get high because they like it(the only reason anyone really wants it legal for recreational use)

cons:its bad for you(dont waste the time saying well others are worse cause thats not a reason to give people another harmful thing)
makes people less productive in general
people using it for fun on a night out become dangerous driver much quicker than people drinking
too fast acting to safe in public

the only other points people make are economical reasons which not enough research has gone into to even legitimately use it for an argument.
and
less people in jail which could be fixed by removing jail time as punishment and reducing it to like community service/fines for the lesser marijuana offenses that send people to jail.


I'm sorry I stopped reading right there, that is the dumbest thing I have ever read. By your logic we should make alcohol, caffeine, tobacco, shit even chocolate and sugar illegal because they all change our state of mind and make people want to take more substances that do the same.

Edit: Holy fuck did you really just say people are more dangerous driving on weed then alcohol. Come on now dude, why do you even bother posting in this topic, it's damn clear you have no idea what you are talking about

This post was edited by Mirage420 on Dec 22 2010 08:31pm
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Dec 22 2010 08:34pm
Quote (Mirage420 @ Dec 22 2010 09:29pm)
I'm sorry I stopped reading right there, that is the dumbest thing I have ever read. By your logic we should make alcohol, caffeine, tobacco, shit even chocolate and sugar illegal because they all change our state of mind, and make people want to take more substances that do the same.


ya cause getting high is comparable to eating chocolate right? large amounts of caffeine is undoubtedly worth making illegal just like cigarettes and worthy of being illegal. the thing is they don't really cause any situations where they cause immediate harm. any sort of drug use that gets you high makes you dangerous behind the wheel of a car or even just walking on the sidewalk due to your motor skills being so severely impaired.

and no i said that people become dangerous FASTER with weed than alcohol. you can get high way way way quicker than you can drink enough to become a noticeably worse driver.

This post was edited by Psycho- on Dec 22 2010 08:36pm
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