I believe in religion ofc, who wouldnt believe ? lolol they really exist, they're just not right obviously, they're companies whether to cash out on sunday or control population XDDD

yeah =) but still seems to take time before humanity admits it_-

and even if spiritual things wouldnt be real, it makes life better when u belive in it =)

This post was edited by theprinceofsmooth on Nov 13 2010 04:15am

Where the fuck does science claim we evolved from rocks? Ever read the Theory of Evolution or heard of the Miller/Urey experiments(to answer the question of organic material coming from inorganic material)? Read into both of those and inform yourself. Ignorance is not bliss as it adversely affects the rest of us. Yes, I'm majoring to become a scientist and have looked into this religious garbage extensively. I was also a Christian for 14 years. I know the religions and I know the science. Science has and always will trump the superstitious imaginings and self-serving mental masturbation that is religion.

Here's something to ponder over: In order to benefit from a religion, you have to be a part of it and believe what you are told by it's leaders. In order to benefit from science, you don't have to do or believe anything; although it would help everyone more so if people would quit trying to hold science back because it debunks their superstitious beliefs.

FYI, By you using modern medicine, you accept evolution. You just haven't realized it. Ever wonder why there isn't just one antibiotic instead of hundreds? Evolution is the answer. Ever wonder why there are different ethnicities? Evolution is the answer. Ever wonder why snakes have hip bones, why some children are still born with tails, why you have wisdom teeth, why your appendix is useless, or why we humans are prone to back problems so much because of our bipedalism? Evolution is answer to all of these.

This post was edited by urkal on Nov 13 2010 08:55pm

By believing things that aren't real and can't be proven to exist is the markings a person with a not-so-firm grasp of reality. If you can't prove it to exist, you have absolutely no reason to believe it does exist.

Agnostics are, by definition, atheists. They're not convinced any of the proposed gods exist so that makes them atheists. That also makes them pussies. I'm referring to the lifelong agnostics only of course. They haven't fully accepted reality yet. The very second someone defines their god is a second before I can prove he doesn't exist or can substitute a character like the Flying Spaghetti Monster in its place.

Well they're not explicit atheists because they do not outright deny the existence of god, and they're not implicit atheists because knowledge of what a god is is necessary for one to have the stance of agnosticism. They rather would claim that it is not possible to know if there is a god or not, thereby not denying or affirming the existence of a god. So no, they're not atheists.

This post was edited by AEtheric on Nov 13 2010 09:21pm

not at all, but i can see why you'd say it.

that's an ignorant statement said by an ignorant person. as almost all modern humans are naturally ignorant, it gives some sort of validity as to why someone would say that.

only a small handful of us as humans are open-minded, tolerant individuals.

Most atheists are agnostic atheists, myself included. I see no need to go by that title though. Atheist suits me just fine. I'm not an intellectual coward like theists and agnostics are. There is absolutely not one speck of proof for the existence of a deity or any indication there ever was a deity. Agnostics and theists in general tend to vilify atheists because it is the only logical position to take and can't be proven wrong. Atheists can prove both agnostics and theists are wrong and using flawed logic. This is the enlightenment. People need to start becoming enlightened already.

As for how agnostics and theists love to do a play on words such as saying atheists deny the existence of god, which is completely bullshit, here is the definition of deny in the context as it would pertain to this conversion from dictionary.com:

de·ny/diˈnī/Verb
1. Refuse to admit the truth or existence of (something).

How the fuck can I deny the existence of something that has never been proven to exist? I don't deny the existence of deity. I call bullshit on everyone else that claims there is a deity with no proof. Provide physical evidence with logical conclusions to said evidence and I'll accept such a deity exists, not until.



It's quite easy to substitute god with unicorns or the Flying Spaghetti Monster, but I assure you they don't claim the same strength of agnosticism with unicorns as they do with a god. They are guilty of the 'special pleading' logical fallacy and that example will easily enough prove it. By being fence sitting chickenshits, they are intellectual cowards. They know a deity isn't found anywhere in reality but don't have the courage to admit it to themselves or others.

Whether agnostics are not explicit or implicit atheists doesn't mean they are still not atheists by default. Let's say I was gay. I'm not but let's just say I was. Would saying I was heterosexual stop me from desiring men? No it wouldn't. Just because I don't say I'm gay doesn't stop me from being gay.

This post was edited by urkal on Nov 13 2010 09:48pm

Ohhh one if theese threaaads....Well you gotta admit religion is a bit silly, eh? Spiritually on the other hand I can understand. That and like...zen meditation, but that's not the same thing as religion (I.e. Christianity)

I mostly agree with everything except the bolded.

To address the bolded: You can deny the existence of something that has never been proven to exist by denying that it exists by the definition of it. Something doesn't have to exist in order to have a definition, e.g. Pink invisible unicorns.

By definition explicit atheism denies the existence of a deity or deities.




Pure agnostics are not atheists, as the state of knowledge of god(s) does not hinge upon belief in existence or nonexistence of god(s), nor does the latter hinge upon the former. Like you said, agnostics can be atheists, like you, or they can be theists.

This post was edited by AEtheric on Nov 13 2010 11:12pm