Quote (Chinlc @ Jun 7 2010 01:36am)

So your out to get anyone who has any affiliation with religion? Sounds pretty damn selfish to me.



Edit: And it would be COMPLETELY wrong if someone attacked you for your beliefs huh? Because your always right I assume?


Oh thats right, you're back by scientific theories.



Scientific theories or God. Either way you're believing in something that could be real but until proven, nobody knows. But to say one exists and the other doesn't is very hypocritical.

Quote (Psycho- @ Jun 7 2010 01:57am)

uh lets see....god is a fictitious character in a book. science is why you get to get immunizations and cured diseases and why you get to drive a car and fly in a airplane and so on and so such. clearly science is the way to go.

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I was an atheist at one time. And like many atheists, the issue of people believing in God bothered me greatly. What is it about atheists that we would spend so much time, attention, and energy refuting something that we don't believe even exists?! What causes us to do that? When I was an atheist, I attributed my intentions as caring for those poor, delusional people...to help them realize their hope was completely ill-founded. To be honest, I also had another motive. As I challenged those who believed in God, I was deeply curious to see if they could convince me otherwise. Part of my quest was to become free from the question of God. If I could conclusively prove to believers that they were wrong, then the issue is off the table, and I would be free to go about my life.

Quote (Chinlc @ Jun 7 2010 07:21am)

Belief in some higher power brought the earliest people from going about alone, to building villages and creating communities.

Quote (Chinlc @ Jun 7 2010 07:21am)

Sounds right

Quote (Interesting @ Jun 7 2010 03:44am)

You're really dumb, OP.

Go pander your fallacies and teleological argument elsewhere. Please go and take a good class called Geology 201: History of The Earth.





Actually it was agriculture. When people could grow food and not have to chase migratory wild game around, we kind of settled.



You'll never, ever, ever be able to convince any theist. Remember that. Just as you will never be able to sway any Republican, or Democrat. I've personally almost all but stopped talking to people in real life about politics (even though I keep on it constantly) and religion. No real point, and I don't want them to see me as a 'liberal' in the same way I see them as a 'conservative'.

I personally take offense to religion however. Imagine a society in which something like magical invisible faeries were commonly believed in by about 85% of this country. It wouldn't be up to you to prove them wrong, it would be up to them to prove themselves right.

Quote (Anal_Destroyer @ 18 May 2010 23:48)

Why do you continue to believe in such an outdated and cruel ideology? I'll be the first to say that, at the time, Darwin's theory was a brilliant attempt at explaining the diversity of life without the need of a creator. I will not state my religious affiliation because I do not think it is relevant. I'm a rational, reasonable, sceptical person and any theory that is sufficiently supported by evidence, I will believe in faster than you can say hot potato. I believe in almost all of the ones generally accepted within the scientific community. The reality is that this theory, the theory of evolution, doesn't hold up to the arguments against it.

I'm not even going to get into the fact that belief in evolution strongly correlates (and is causative in my opinion) with immorality within society, as it has nothing to do with the veracity of the claims it makes, so let's just examine the main problems with evolution.

Let's just say the history of life on earth, about 4 billion years (I don't believe the earth is that old but I'll grant it for the sake of argument), took place in 1 day. The beginning would be at 12:00AM and the present time would be 11:59PM. At 12:00AM, evolutionists claim that life arose in the form of single celled organisms. So surely the life, distributed across the planet (in the oceans, evolved proportionately, right? Wrong. You have to wait all the way till 10:30PM for life to evolve beyond single celled organisms! In the span of roughly 1 minute, BOOM!, the Cambrian explosion. All the life we see today, in their current form, evolved, from single celled organisms, in the span of 1 minute? Is that not the most ridiculous claim ever to be made?

The process of fossilization is very common, in fact, it's likely. Why, then, have darwinists never been able to present ONE transitional fossil? When I say "the" missing link, I'm being very generous. There are millions of missing links and evolutionists (should) know it. There's just no evidence in favour of this theory.

I'll give credit where credit is due, though. There are some fossils, within the record, radio-metrically dated with results that support evolution (if you get to cherry pick, which evolutionists always do). That is, IF radiometric dating was reliable. It isn't. There have been LIVE squids, otters, and other animals that carbon dated to be thousands of years old! How do scientists keep getting away with using these faulty methods?

If you look at any organ in any human or animal, you'll see that it was clearly designed. How could a nub of skin evolve into an eye or a pimple into an arm? If you came across a statue, say the statue of liberty, would you assume it evolved over time? NO! It's clearly designed and so, of course, you would ask who designed it. Why can't people use logic towards evolution like they can towards pretty much anything else?

Furthermore, the second law of thermodynamics posits that organized systems will, with time, become disorganized. This completely contradicts and refutes thermodynamics, so take your pick. Thermodynamics or evolution? Charles Darwin even admits this in a letter "I am quite conscious that my speculations run quite beyond the bounds of true science."

Lastly, although these arguments aren't scientific like the rest, Charles Darwin was a bitter man his entire life who tried to fight God with his theory. On his deathbed, however, he realized the error of his ways and actually CONVERTED to Christianity, denouncing his theory, saying he got it all wrong. WHY did people keep believing in it? He even also alluded to how heinous his theory was in his own book! "To suppose that the eye, with all its inimitable contrivances for adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting different amounts of light, and for the correction of spherical and chromatic aberration, could have been formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest possible degree." - Charles Darwin

Sorry I seem to have rambled on a little bit but there are just mountains of evidence against this theory and it infuriates me that it keeps being suppressed by the scientific community, pushing their evolutionist agendas.

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I will not state my religious affiliation because I do not think it is relevant.

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I'm a rational, reasonable, sceptical person and any theory that is sufficiently supported by evidence

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Why can't people use logic towards evolution like they can towards pretty much anything else?

Quote (Chinlc @ Jun 6 2010 10:18pm)

No, that's you failing at debate. Again.


Those are two separate views on how God and his word are portrayed. It's more like an opinion. Or do I have to explain the meaning of an opinion to you too?


What's with you having such hostility toward religion? Have an open mind O.o

Quote (lottt86 @ Jun 16 2010 02:17am)

God's word? Where did this "God's word" come from? Please don't tell me he talked to Moses or some other bullshit like that. Does anyone realize that if I said I talked to 'God' today, I'd be committed to the psychiatric ward at a local hospital ASAP.  2000 years ago, this wasn't the case.  You could say you talked to god and people would believe this.  Also, there were A LOT of opiates being grown in the Middle East at this time (still the case).  Who's not to say that the 12 disciple's weren't the "puff-puff-give" buddies.  Jesus, hat's off to him, creating the world's largest hoax, claiming to be the son of god.  The VIRGIN Mary? Yea right, her and Joe got in on before they were married and didn't want to tell their parents.  Simple intuition on the part of any logical human being can see through the BS that ANY RELIGION brings with it.

Quote (Chinlc @ Jun 7 2010 12:21am)

Belief in some higher power brought the earliest people from going about alone, to building villages and creating communities.

Quote (Chinlc @ Jun 7 2010 12:21am)

From my personal experiences, I know there is some kind of afterlife. The hauntings that have happened in my current house, It's real.

Quote (Aliengames @ Jun 19 2010 02:51am)

I doubt you can find any citation for this at all. You're talking out of your ass.



Again... straight out of your ass.