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you tell them!!!
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Well, the universe is infinite in the way that you can never reach 'the edge'. The space-time continuum bends in a way that you will end up where you started, if you just went straight ahead for eternity.


um, no.

We can never reach "the edge" because the particle horizon is moving away from us at the speed of light.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubble's_law
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um, no.

We can never reach "the edge" because the particle horizon is moving away from us at the speed of light.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubble_law')


You must not think of the universe as a giant expanding bubble. The reason for this is that the universe curves in a way we have trouble to understand (this according to relativity). Said space can't even be said to expand, since, as Nobel Price winner Steven Weinberg proclaimed: 'Solar systems and galaxies don't expand, and the space inbetween doesn't either.' What happens is that galaxies gain in distance from eachother. This requires quite some imagination.

Or as the biologist Haldane once said:'The universe is not only stranger than we ever conceived, it is stranger than we can imagine.'

To understand space-time as a whole, try to think of the flatlanders. We three-dimensional beings are utterly confused when we get to know a fourth. Just as there isn't a limit to the universe, there isn't a center either.

Sources: Steven Weinberg's Dreams of a final theory and Hawking's A brief history of time
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1)  it would take longer than 13 billion years from the singularity for mankind to evolve from rocks

2)  how our planet supports and sustains life is rather suspicious.  everything from how water recycles, to oxygen production, to the atmosphere's protection, it's all too coincidentally perfect.

objectively speaking, it would be more unbelieveable that there isn't a higher being who made it all.  everything about how the universe works suggests that it was designed to support life, somewhere.


yes which is why it all makes so much sense. it's not suspicious. also why we can't find life elsewhere, cos it's extremely rare to have these conditions
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Quote (balrog66 @ Thu, Sep 3 2009, 11:13am)
You must not think of the universe as a giant expanding bubble. The reason for this is that the universe curves in a way we have trouble to understand (this according to relativity). Said space can't even be said to expand, since, as Nobel Price winner Steven Weinberg proclaimed: 'Solar systems and galaxies don't expand, and the space inbetween doesn't either.' What happens is that galaxies gain in distance from eachother. This requires quite some imagination.

Or as the biologist Haldane once said:'The universe is not only stranger than we ever conceived, it is stranger than we can imagine.'

To understand space-time as a whole, try to think of the flatlanders. We three-dimensional beings are utterly confused when we get to know a fourth. Just as there isn't a limit to the universe, there isn't a center either.

Sources: Steven Weinberg's Dreams of a final theory and Hawking's A brief history of time

um, Weinberg's quote supports what I'm saying. Galactic clusters are moving away from each other. The rest of the smaller units(star systems, galaxies) are held together by gravity. It's understandable that space curves, but what you said before is absolute baloney:
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Well, the universe is infinite in the way that you can never reach 'the edge'. The space-time continuum bends in a way that you will end up where you started, if you just went straight ahead for eternity.

I would like to know where you read that.


The rest of what you wrote is just handwaving. You didn't explain any part of what you said, you simply quoted other scientists who described the universe as esoteric.

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um, Weinberg's quote supports what I'm saying. Galactic clusters are moving away from each other. The rest of the smaller units(star systems, galaxies) are held together by gravity. It's understandable that space curves, but what you said before is absolute baloney:

I would like to know where you read that.


The rest of what you wrote is just handwaving. You didn't explain any part of what you said, you simply quoted other scientists who described the universe as esoteric. Why shouldn't I think of the universe as an expanding bubble?


If we look around us, space looks the same in every direction (we can receive radiation from the big bang from every direction). So either we're dead center in the middle (which is as unprobable as can be) or there is no center of the universe, and therefore no boundaries. It curves on it's own gravitational field. In some theories, this means that the curvature is in a way that you will end up where you start.

In another way: If the universe started at the 'center' and big bang radiation was emitted from the center, then why do we observe it from the outer edges?

I got the sentence you quoted from Bill Bryson's A short history of nearly everything.
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in one popular big bang theory, the universe is still expanding, faster than the speed of light. so reaching its edges would be difficult, without warp drive that is.

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um, Weinberg's quote supports what I'm saying. Galactic clusters are moving away from each other. The rest of the smaller units(star systems, galaxies) are held together by gravity. It's understandable that space curves, but what you said before is absolute baloney:

I would like to know where you read that.


The rest of what you wrote is just handwaving. You didn't explain any part of what you said, you simply quoted other scientists who described the universe as esoteric.


http://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/ask_astro/answers/961202c.html
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Quote (wouldbe @ Mon, Aug 24 2009, 11:22am)
1)  it would take longer than 13 billion years from the singularity for mankind to evolve from rocks

2)  how our planet supports and sustains life is rather suspicious.  everything from how water recycles, to oxygen production, to the atmosphere's protection, it's all too coincidentally perfect.

objectively speaking, it would be more unbelieveable that there isn't a higher being who made it all.  everything about how the universe works suggests that it was designed to support life, somewhere.


1. A meteor could have brought living organisms to the planet, saving the evolution a lot of time. Not to mention that I don't see any rock solid proof for your statement about "13 billion years" part. Also: chance is a funny thing.

2. yeah its unbelieveable but look around ... there are a lot of planets that are unsuitable for life to evolve/survive
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god doesnt exist there is no proof if u have some message it to me...i expect no messages cuz there is no proof some crazy story writer wrote down this weird ass stories and ppl decided to worship it thats all
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