Christian religion in the strictest sense is incompatible with science. If you are a Bible literalist, and think that Jonah did live inside a whale and Moses split the red sea, you would have some problems with the laws of nature.

However as a concept, the existence of a deity is irrelevant to science. Honestly, anyone who doesn't take the Bible literally, and looks to apply its teachings to modern day life to make it relevant should have no problems with science whatsoever. They are fairly unrelated once you get past literal interpretation.

Religion is a philisophical concern, Science is a physical concern. There are cross-overs in both directions, but these are usually limited.

inb4proveit

This post was edited by AiNedeSpelCzech on May 21 2009 05:45pm

Thank you Sioux.

I didn't use Ad hominem at all. I said a simple fact. People who think that science and religion are irreconcilable are ignorant to what both claim. Saying that a mentally retarded person isn't smart isn't ad hominem...it's a statement of fact.

Now, if I called you a fucking moron...that would be ad hominem. Alas, I did not.

Proof:
1. Science does not disprove a higher deity.
2. The Catholic church (one of many) recognizes the merits of science in their beliefs

So, where are the contradictions?

Extremely limited, good post.

He said exactly the same thing that I was saying, how did you manage to understand him and fail to understand me?

i find it disgusting that you are so persistant in trying to assimilate others to see your belief as the only possible truth. you should give it up and just try to be tolerant of other peoples belief systems.

What a find? They found it in 1983. It has been out for ages. You have absolutely no clue what you're talking about.

For one, that fossil does not prove anything. They can easily come up with many theories and find "proof" that will support their theory. It is just like conspiracy theorists. You can find proof ANYWHERE if you look hard enough. That's why these Zeitgeist fanboys are so hardcore in their ridiculous beliefs about 9/11 and whatnot. They thought they found proof that the U.S. government planned all of the terrorist attacks against their own country. Completely stupid. Just like evolution. Evolutionists saw how monkeys and humans were similar so they went out on a long search for proof to support their theory and bingo! they found some that they thought were satisfactory. At least they were satisfied enough with their discoveries to be convicted that we humans evolved from monkeys. But it is all bullshit. Just like that "new" fossil is bullshit. It proves nothing.

Stop believing everything you hear from the media.

p.s. Read this. You'll hate me now. http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/2009/05/21/ida-real-story

Evolution is true. Even if this does not amount to be the so called "missing link", that does nothing to hurt evolutions position as a scientific theory. Thats the great thing about science, it can admit when it was wrong.

Denying evolution is more applicable comparison to Zeitgeist. Ignoring the experts, finding claims of amateurs and/or people from an entirely unrelated field to be more valid, misquoting those in the field to make it seem as if theres more debate than their is (That was what the link you posted did), starting at a theory and looking for the evidence.

Evolution came into being by looking at the available evidence, and thus Darwin created a theory to explain what he saw. Creationists look at what their desired conclusion is (Intelligent design) and look for only information to support it. You can't do research that way. It never works, its entirely backwards.

It's people like you that make Jazz look correct on the fact science and religion cannot coexist.

This post was edited by Sioux on May 21 2009 07:46pm

It's a little different from conspiracy theorists just shoving their ideas together, to be honest, but it's absolutely right that we should be just a wee bit more cautious in accepting this at face value. There's a lot more science that needs to be done here before we can just trumpet this as absolutely being a missing link in the evolutionary chain.

Of course, that doesn't mean that the fossil is bullshit and proves nothing, it just means that the jury is still out for a bit on the whole thing. I wouldn't exactly count your chickens.