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Dec 19 2008 10:33pm
Quote (SalvationDG @ Thu, Dec 11 2008, 06:10pm)
Will humaity ever accomplish Lightspeed travel or FTL travel? And when.

I think yes, and within 300 years.

Discuss why or why not. Or discuss if you think its not possible.


No because when v approaches c, gamma blows up. This means that is impossible for mass to reach light speed. If we could convert our entire bodies into pure energy (that's A LOT of energy) then I suppose we could transmit ourselves as a signal and then once the signal is received, we could reconstruct ourselves...but good luck doing that.
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Dec 20 2008 02:00pm
I doubt it.
Too many problems that I don't think we can work out.
The material of the craft
The energy needed to move that fast
The Acceleration on the human body

And even if we find answers to all of these...How can anyone be skilled enough to control the craft? You would have to see millions of miles ahead of you, and if you move even 1cm too far left you will be a million miles off course.
Maybe a computer could do it... but even then, there would be too much risk, I mean one glitch in one computer costs trillions of dollars, and it would take hundreds of tests to make a glitchless computer to navigate it.

I think wormhole transportation is much more likely.
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Dec 24 2008 06:48am
read about relativity
if it could possibly happen it would take a giant leap in what we consider as truths in physics
and so as it now stands it is not possible

but modern physics is advancing at a breakneck speed
and actually diverging quite surprisingly, most new theories are consistent with preexisting knowledge but not with each other

no one can actually conjecture if light speed travel will ever be possible since things at the microscopic level never behave as expected but since we are at a scope much larger than that in my opinion it isn't going to happen in a way that would make any new technology or transportation feasible

one thing to note that is very very cool is that splitting elementary particles such as electrons results in two exactly alike particles with startling behavior
if spin is induced on one of the twin paritcles it will instantaneously occur on it's twin regardless of distance
this isn't quite travel at FTL speeds but it is comunication at such a level

also look into the speed of the effect of gravity
it is afaik instantaneous which is contradictory to any other theory of forces which all have a particle behind them and gravity's supposed particle the "gravitron" is still elusive and unexplainable
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read about relativity
if it could possibly happen it would take a giant leap in what we consider as truths in physics
and so as it now stands it is not possible

but modern physics is advancing at a breakneck speed
and actually diverging quite surprisingly, most new theories are consistent with preexisting knowledge but not with each other

no one can actually conjecture if light speed travel will ever be possible since things at the microscopic level never behave as expected but since we are at a scope much larger than that in my opinion it isn't going to happen in a way that would make any new technology or transportation feasible

one thing to note that is very very cool is that splitting elementary particles such as electrons results in two exactly alike particles with startling behavior
if spin is induced on one of the twin paritcles it will instantaneously occur on it's twin regardless of distance
this isn't quite travel at FTL speeds but it is comunication at such a level

also look into the speed of the effect of gravity
it is afaik instantaneous which is contradictory to any other theory of forces which all have a particle behind them and gravity's supposed particle the "gravitron" is still elusive and unexplainable


My issue with all these new theories is that they are becoming extremely difficult to test. We spent billions of dollars on the LHC in hopes of observing certain particles. I'm sure it will come to a point where it will become infeasible to create experiments in order to test our new theories. When you can't make observations and test a hypothesis anymore...it isn't science.
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Jan 8 2009 09:59am
Lol I think we have bigger problems then travelling with the speed of life. It's nearly impossble for us to keep the earth clean. So why should the mankind try to make the most impossible thing possible.
It would be absolutly possible that we will destroy us in the next 3rd worldwar completely.
Speed of light? NEVER As I read 300 years I had to laugh over a minute. You dont know anything about physics!
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Jan 8 2009 02:58pm
Quote (Lowrider87 @ Thu, Jan 8 2009, 10:59am)
Lol I think we have bigger problems then travelling with the speed of life. It's nearly impossble for us to keep the earth clean. So why should the mankind try to make the most impossible thing possible.
It would be absolutly possible that we will destroy us in the next 3rd worldwar completely.
Speed of light? NEVER As I read 300 years I had to laugh over a minute. You dont know anything about physics!


I take it English is not your first language.

We can not prove Ensteins theory that we can't achive FTL travel. Thats our understanding of physics right now but its not proven, we don't know for certain it is. We think it is and untill its disproven it will be "true" in a sense, but not really true unless behind a shawdow of a doubt we can prove it. Technology has been progressing so much in the last 100 years than in 300 years it could be 3000x complex than it is now. You can't say its impossible because it has not been proven. Trying to achieve what our laws of physics and other things like all living things must have cells, trying to disprove what these things deem "impossible" is what Science is all about. Its not about saying just because our laws dictate its impossible when it has not been proven.

You say I know nothing about Physics, but I say you know nothing about the true meaning of Science.

Discovery, disproiving the impossible, making the "impossible" possible.

/end rant.
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Jan 8 2009 05:51pm
Quote (SalvationDG @ Thu, Jan 8 2009, 03:58pm)

You can't say its impossible because it has not been proven.


But thats like saying gravity does't exsist just because it's not proven. You can't prove gravity, one can only assume something will fall the ground when droped. FLT travel is most likely impossible due to the complications that arise - such as fact that mass is not constant. As you excellerate mass, the ammount of energy needed to move it also increases - thus creating the problem that to move a certain mass at or faster than the speed of light - one would need a infiinite energy source. Though mass is just a theory wink.gif so it doesnt really exsist ohmy.gif

Folding space (aka wormholes) are probably your closes bet to FLT travel, as it doesnt constitute speed rather just moveing from one place to another almost instantly. We only perceieve space as 3d - though it could be much more 2d than we think. Obviously folding space is easier said than done.
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Quote (ReDeeMeR @ Thu, Jan 8 2009, 06:51pm)
But thats like saying gravity does't exsist just because it's not proven. You can't prove gravity, one can only assume something will fall the ground when droped. FLT travel is most likely impossible due to the complications that arise - such as fact that mass is not constant. As you excellerate mass, the ammount of energy needed to move it also increases - thus creating the problem that to move a certain mass at or faster than the speed of light - one would need a infiinite energy source. Though mass is just a theory wink.gif so it doesnt really exsist ohmy.gif

Folding space (aka wormholes) are probably your closes bet to FLT travel, as it doesnt constitute speed rather just moveing from one place to another almost instantly. We only perceieve space as 3d - though it could be much more 2d than we think. Obviously folding space is easier said than done.


Gravity is proven but the Law isn't.

Doesn't make sense when you first read it.

Physics are proven but theorys for it are not.

The theory that states you can't go FTL could be wrong, some scientists think this. We won't live to see it happen but technology is progressing so far it is very possible. Far feched, but far from impossible.

We could go to another planet and discover its laws of things are tottally diffrent, we could find a extraterrestrial life form that is similar to a virus, it does not have a nuclues, or it might not have cells. Cases on Earth can be far diffrent from other planets, as is our theorys could be very wrong. We just have to keep trying untill the theorys are proven.
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Jan 8 2009 10:03pm
I think humanity will never surpass the speed of light. However, it will be possible to travel a huge distance in a short time using the distortion of spacetime. It has been proven possible in theory.
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