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May 25 2017 01:17pm
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explain why we see the same stars every night as we orbit around the sun - we should see completely different views every 6 months


Why do you think we should be seeing different stars every 6 months?
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May 25 2017 02:06pm
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Why do you think we should be seeing different stars every 6 months?


Because since we are facing the opposite way , daylight/night would be on the opposite side - and our view of the night sky would be vastly different - but it never changes, the deception its pretty obvious when you think about it.
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May 25 2017 02:21pm
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Because since we are facing the opposite way , daylight/night would be on the opposite side - and our view of the night sky would be vastly different - but it never changes, the deception its pretty obvious when you think about it.


We do see different stars depending on what time of year it is.

It isn't exactly the opposite side since we are tilted something like 23 degrees with respect to our motion around the sun.

We do see different night sky depending on what time of year it is. Due to our tilt some constellations are visible all year long, some are visible for shorter times than others.

So what happens with stars shifting in the nights sky is exactly what you would expect if we rotated around the sun and were rotating at a slightly tilted angle.

http://planetarium.ipsd.org/Subpage.aspx?id=282

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May 25 2017 02:23pm
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muOn1pRxO50

scroll to 20 minutes and see proof of our ethereal moons

and science claims that 97% of our universe is dark matter + dark energy, so dark ethereal objects are quite possible

Heliocentricity cannot explain why we see the same stars every night as we orbit around the sun - we should see completely different views every 6 months

Heliocentricty says we are spinning to the east and cannot explain why in some views, part of the sky spins in one direction, while another part of the sky spins in another.

Obviously part of the firmament that has EM forces making sections of it spin in different directions and we dont understand those forces. Look at the "planet" Jupiter - some sections spin in one direction, some swirl or spin in another direction - it only makes sense if you consider that it simply just might be their plasmasphere that we are seeing.


No, we should not see different stars every 6 months. You just don't understand how Earth orbits the Sun.
Dark matter does not interact with light, so it cannot create eclipses. You read the word "dark" and thought it means something that's visually black. That's completely wrong.
Nowhere do different parts of the sky spin in different directions, that doesn't happen.
We cannot see the plasmasphere visually. If we could we would see it around our planet as well.
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May 25 2017 02:24pm
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Because since we are facing the opposite way , daylight/night would be on the opposite side - and our view of the night sky would be vastly different - but it never changes, the deception its pretty obvious when you think about it.


Why do you think we would be facing the other side?
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May 25 2017 02:26pm
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Why do you think we would be facing the other side?


He's right that we should see different stars in different seasons. The only thing he's wrong about is that this phenomena actually happens and is known to anybody who owns even the most basic telescope or binoculars to look at the night sky.
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May 25 2017 02:29pm
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We do see different stars depending on what time of year it is.

It isn't exactly the opposite side since we are tilted something like 23 degrees with respect to our motion around the sun.

We do see different night sky depending on what time of year it is. Due to our tilt some constellations are visible all year long, some are visible for shorter times than others.

So what happens with stars shifting in the nights sky is exactly what you would expect if we rotated around the sun and were rotating at a slightly tilted angle.

http://planetarium.ipsd.org/Subpage.aspx?id=282


Well, the tilt is always pointing the same way though (hence seasons), so I don't think it really plays any part in showing different stars. At least the way I picture it in my head, only the lateral translation of the planet changes the viewing angle a little bit.

edit: oh never mind, I read the link and I see what you are saying. We see different stars simply because the day/night cycle gets shifted.

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May 25 2017 02:31pm
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He's right that we should see different stars in different seasons. The only thing he's wrong about is that this phenomena actually happens and is known to anybody who owns even the most basic telescope or binoculars to look at the night sky.


He's not right when he thinks the set of visible stars should be completely different in summer and in winter. Even if you look from a point on the equator, there's still earth's tilt to take into account.



For instance, the Pole star is visible all year around if you live in the northern hemisphere. This checks out with round earth theory.
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May 25 2017 02:33pm
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Well, the tilt is always pointing the same way though (hence seasons), so I don't think it really plays any part in showing different stars. At least the way I picture it in my head, only the lateral translation of the planet changes the viewing angle a little bit.


It plays a role in keeping some constellations visible year round, if we were tilted 0 degrees we would see a shift in the sky periodically across the year.
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May 25 2017 02:39pm
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He's not right when he thinks the set of visible stars should be completely different in summer and in winter. Even if you look from a point on the equator, there's still earth's tilt to take into account.
For instance, the Pole star is visible all year around if you live in the northern hemisphere. This checks out with round earth theory.


Yeah, what Thor is saying is that in winter you'll have nighttime when facing a different way than in summer. So on the equator, you would basically be looking at the stars (at night) when you are exactly on the other side of the planet, so you WOULD get a totally different view.
edit: This is assuming you take a snapshot of the sky at exactly the same time. Obviously if you watch the sky and wait a few hours, as the Earth rotates the same stars will start coming into view because you'll start getting overlap between the summer and the winter views.

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