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Jul 22 2016 02:32pm
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sorry to burst your bubble - but
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_fertilization

meant consciousness but was expecting your preschool comeback anyway



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There is currently no theory (that I'm aware of) for the creation of the universe that does not violate the laws of physics as we know them. Either something came from nothing, or something existed for an infinity of time and has no beginning. We have no examples of either of these.

except the universe
why does the universe have to follow different rules to the universe
stuff in it's probably different because it can't be the same as the whole thing
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Because the sun isn't actually burning hydrogen in the sense of a chemical reaction with oxygen. The word "burning" is just a word, and people use it to describe all sorts of things. You might hear someone say that their ears are burning, but it doesn't mean they are literally on fire. Someone could be burning through their tasks, with no actual combustion involved. Money might be burning a hole in your pocket, but miraculously the pocket stays intact.

Just because somebody somewhere said that the sun is "burning" hydrogen doesn't mean anything from a scientific point of view. Words are constructs invented by us to describe the world we see, calling something a certain word doesn't actually change the nature of it. The nature of the sun is that it's fusing hydrogen into helium as the primary source of energy. Whether you call that "burning" or something else is irrelevant.


I didn't say hydrogen is burning like we experience burning here on oxygen rich earth - it is a different kind of burning because it's theorized to be happening at such extreme temperature, The Sun consumes about 600 million tons of hydrogen per second and there is no other known way to consume matter other than through burning

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meant consciousness but was expecting your preschool comeback anyway




except the universe
why does the universe have to follow different rules to the universe
stuff in it's probably different because it can't be the same as the whole thing


I think your stupidity is a result of failing preschool.
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I think your stupidity is a result of failing preschool.

geez you got me

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except the universe
why does the universe have to follow different rules to the universe
stuff in it's probably different because it can't be the same as the whole thing


Except the universe what? The universe is an example of one of those? Which one?

Quote (card_sultan @ Jul 22 2016 01:42pm)
I didn't say hydrogen is burning like we experience burning here on oxygen rich earth - it is a different kind of burning because it's theorized to be happening at such extreme temperature, The Sun consumes about 600 million tons of hydrogen per second and there is no other known way to consume matter other than through burning

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Why does fire burn?
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Fire burns as a reaction when matter changes form and is part of a chemical reaction that produces heat and light. In order for a fire to start, some form of fuel must be heated to its ignition temperature.


Burning does not consume matter. You have a very naive understanding of physics and chemistry, you see a piece of paper burn away and think that it "disappeared". In reality, the combustion produced gases and ash. The mass of the products of combustion is the same as the reactants, and this can easily be shown with a sealed combustion chamber on a scale. Burning may change matter into different states, but it doesn't consume it.
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Jul 22 2016 03:33pm
Quote (russian @ Jul 22 2016 04:58pm)
Except the universe what? The universe is an example of one of those? Which one?.


The universe has always been here

The boundless blackness, the void, space

People need to stop looking at it as an object, it's nothing, it's the area where stuff resides, it has no end, all thinking it has an end does is raise more stupid questions.

"What's outside the universe?" Nothing, it's all nothing, if you have a nothing, and then outside that nothing you have more nothing, it's alllllll nothing, the nothing has always been, how stuff was placed in the nothing is the question

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Burning does not consume matter. You have a very naive understanding of physics and chemistry, you see a piece of paper burn away and think that it "disappeared". In reality, the combustion produced gases and ash. The mass of the products of combustion is the same as the reactants, and this can easily be shown with a sealed combustion chamber on a scale. Burning may change matter into different states, but it doesn't consume it.


You have a real naive idea of what consumption is - why don't you do a google search and find out how much hydrogen the sun consumes and stop saying really dumb stuff

here's one link:

http://helios.gsfc.nasa.gov/qa_sun.html#consume

How Much Mass Does the Sun Consume?

I heard at one time the amount of matter that is converted by the Sun into energy and released, but have been unable to remember the quantity stated. It was given as the number of Earth masses that are converted every month or year.
The Sun consumes about 600 million tons of hydrogen per second. (That's 6 x 108 tons.) For comparison, the mass of the Earth is about 1.35 x 1021 tons. This would mean the Sun consumes the mass of the Earth in about 70,000 years.

Dr. Louis Barbier

and it will take 10 billion years to complete consume all the hydrogen and completely burn out. Not me saying that - its Nasa, send angry letters care of them about how they're idiots and don't understand the English language because your understanding is something different.

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The universe has always been here

The boundless blackness, the void, space

People need to stop looking at it as an object, it's nothing, it's the area where stuff resides, it has no end, all thinking it has an end does is raise more stupid questions.

"What's outside the universe?" Nothing, it's all nothing, if you have a nothing, and then outside that nothing you have more nothing, it's alllllll nothing, the nothing has always been, how stuff was placed in the nothing is the question


When people say "the universe" they typically mean everything, including things like planets. Besides, space isn't "nothing" and it most likely hasn't been around forever, at least in the state that it's in now. Space is expanding and at some point was possibly a singularity. What was there before space-time is unknown and we have no example of anything like that.
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When people say "the universe" they typically mean everything, including things like planets. Besides, space isn't "nothing" and it most likely hasn't been around forever, at least in the state that it's in now. Space is expanding and at some point was possibly a singularity. What was there before space-time is unknown and we have no example of anything like that.


If space is expanding, that means it has room to expand, what could possibly have enough room for an entire universe to expand?

A void

so, large amounts of nothing expanding into nothing

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Quote (card_sultan @ Jul 22 2016 02:34pm)
You have a real naive idea of what consumption is - why don't you do a google search and find out how much hydrogen the sun consumes and stop saying really dumb stuff

here's one link:

http://helios.gsfc.nasa.gov/qa_sun.html#consume

How Much Mass Does the Sun Consume?

I heard at one time the amount of matter that is converted by the Sun into energy and released, but have been unable to remember the quantity stated. It was given as the number of Earth masses that are converted every month or year.
The Sun consumes about 600 million tons of hydrogen per second. (That's 6 x 108 tons.) For comparison, the mass of the Earth is about 1.35 x 1021 tons. This would mean the Sun consumes the mass of the Earth in about 70,000 years.

Dr. Louis Barbier

and it will take 10 billion years to complete consume all the hydrogen and completely burn out. Not me saying that - its Nasa, send angry letters care of them about how they're idiots and don't understand the English language because your understanding is something different.


Once again, you simply don't understand physics and chemistry. Yes, the sun actually consumes matter and turns it into energy. However, the sun does not burn hydrogen in a redox reaction, it fuses it. Fusion is not burning. People may say things like "we have 10 billion years before the sun burns out" just like they say "we have 10 years before that light bulb burns out". Neither of those are actually burning anything, it's just colloquial usage of the word and you shouldn't use it in a more technical conversation where the distinction between fusion and combustion is important. In a public article explaining the very basics of how the sun works this distinction is not important and may even confuse people, so expressions like "burn out" are used. Clearly they've still confused at least one person.

I also find it hilarious how you quote NASA despite being a flat earther.
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