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Jun 29 2015 12:16pm
Quote (Trillasecond @ Jun 29 2015 01:07pm)
When the chess A.I. beat the human player the A.I. lost the first game. Then a group of computer programmers came and modified the A.I. The A.I. won the next game and the human player said f*ck this I quit.
If the human player would have interacted with others during the tourney he would have been disqualified. I agree with the chess guy Garry Kasparov when he says the A.I. (IBM team Deep Blue) broke the rules & cheated.

Also with the Jeopardy game vs Watson, if you pay close attention, they tell you, admittedly so, that the computer A.I. had the questions available before hand. Having the questions before hand is a violation of the rules.
So in both scenarios the humans were gimped by rules that did not apply to the computer A.I. How can you be impressed by THAT!?


There is no a.i. that's "impossible" to beat. Look how many times they have to patch D2? Humans will always win.


The computer had the questions before hand? - thats a giant brainfart for AI - almost as bad as letting people read books and learn something. Yeah, it's not perfect - but were getting there.

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Jun 30 2015 02:16pm
If you define AI as being compared to what a human brain is capable of doing, then it will never happen. Try coding love or creating a Mona Lisa into a computer. Simply impossible
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Jul 6 2015 05:59am
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10-25 years.


and 50 when its official
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Jul 28 2015 09:17am
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If you define AI as being compared to what a human brain is capable of doing, then it will never happen. Try coding love or creating a Mona Lisa into a computer. Simply impossible


Why would it be impossible? We have ones like you described built out if biomolecules.
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Jul 28 2015 09:39am
Quote (Neptunus @ Jul 28 2015 03:17pm)
Why would it be impossible? We have ones like you described built out if biomolecules.


Proof?
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Jul 28 2015 10:31pm
Quote (Diablokgb @ Jul 28 2015 05:39pm)
Proof?


You and I

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Jul 29 2015 09:21am
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You and I


AI = Artificial Intelligence.

Artificial = made or produced by human beings rather than occurring naturally, typically as a copy of something natural.

Sorry, humans did not create humans. Doesn't make sense...
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Jul 29 2015 02:19pm
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AI = Artificial Intelligence.

Artificial = made or produced by human beings rather than occurring naturally, typically as a copy of something natural.

Sorry, humans did not create humans. Doesn't make sense...


I don't see why can't we create AI capable of sentience, given enough time considering we evolved spontaneously. Of course there's the problem of knowing whether an AI has a subjective experience or not, but at least it could imitate an entity that has it.

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Jul 29 2015 02:49pm
Quote (Diablokgb @ Jul 29 2015 04:21pm)
AI = Artificial Intelligence.

Artificial = made or produced by human beings rather than occurring naturally, typically as a copy of something natural.

Sorry, humans did not create humans. Doesn't make sense...


Quote (Neptunus @ Jul 29 2015 09:19pm)
I don't see why can't we create AI capable of sentience, given enough time considering we evolved spontaneously. Of course there's the problem of knowing whether an AI has a subjective experience or not, but at least it could imitate an entity that has it.


I kinda agree with both of you if it's possible...
Given enough time we'll achieve an understanding of ourselves and our "functions" like the ones cited by diablokgb such as love hate etc and then like Neptunus said we can build an AI inspired by that knowledge with biomolecules and inorganic compounds, why not?.

It's not even close to it, but John craig venter made something like he wrote a genome with all and only the necessary genes to a bacterium to live on independently that he transfected to a bacterium (which was emptied of all genomic information before) (I put the link below for those who might want to look this up or do further researchs)
And a cell is supposed to be way easier to understand than a multicellular being.

So to come back to the topic, I think that since we can't make an artificial cell, by the time we can gather all the knowledge to make a real AI as we can see in the most futuristic movies we'll all (and I mean humanity, not just you and me) be dead already or something
But we already have some AI, and in 50 years we'll have improved that, but it won't be as "perfect" as we are, so like diablokgb I think it's impossible but time being the problem, not that it's just too hard.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mycoplasma_laboratorium
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