Quote (Nearin @ Feb 16 2015 08:29am)

Your all so close minded lol


So we know that we naturally create and release dmt while we rem sleep and its dmt that gives us these incredible life like dream states that philosophers said were so real could not trust their senses (descartes for sure but others as well)




So maybe we are dreaming right now and dmt and sleep are the only things that can wake us from this dream world,

And when we sleep (yes while you read this) we are dreaming from another world that our current(dream selves) cannot access.

Im not saying that this is how it is, or that dmt is even relevant, but shit let the men explore and stop shitting on ideas before we even run with them.


People need to take into account how much we dont know before we start assuming what cannot be true.


Our "scientific" understanding of the world is merely a functional working definition of the world, there will be many times that holes are punched in the system that we have created to explain the universe.


Again i dont even believe this but descartes couldn't prove anything beyond his own thoughts (god proof was weak). Who are we a bunch of ex diablo 2 players to say no its not worthy they are wrong


Ted should have allowed the talks assuming they were > do dmt its fun, drugs are good etc

Quote (Subwoofer @ Feb 16 2015 11:24am)

being able to ask "what if" is not a basis for facts. we can ask "what if" about anything so are we supposed to simultaneously believe in every random scenario that we come across?

of course not which is why we believe what our shared perception of reality is(because that's what our senses tell us is real) over anything of this sort.

we don't know a lot but we'd get nowhere if we had to give merit to the crap people come up with when they are hallucinating.

Quote (Nearin @ Feb 16 2015 03:43pm)

But what perspective do you have to say which is the hallucination is all im saying

Dont get me wrong, I believe in our world. I get out of the way of course because ofc they are real and hurt.

and even if they are not real i have a real sensation of pain so considering the same sensory reaction is occurring it doesn't actually matter.

my point is not that we are mater less souls floating through an imagined consciousness. I agree this premise is ludicrous, and the same ground for rejecting our working understanding of the world would reject these theories for the same reasons.

Im simply saying we have no proof even of our material worlds existence. and that people should not be so quick to dismiss other concept just because they dont fit with our current world understanding.

Im not saying that this is the one, but we as people need to be open to exploring the ideas of conciousness.

Quote (Subwoofer @ Feb 16 2015 07:38pm)

one we are born into and one you have to force with drugs, physical illness, mental illness.

we have all the proof we need that the world we are born into is as real as it gets because when we are born into it we are also born with the ability to perceive it.

we've used our brains and science to go further and use technology to see and feel what our senses couldn't which is why we have night vision goggles, infrared scopes, xray machines etc etc

our brains don't need hallucinations to experience the things we weren't born with the ability to experience because they have the ability to figure it out naturally.

if there are more planes of existence the human brain will figure out how to find them by thinking...not by tripping out on drugs and get answers dropped into your lap.

i find it utterly disturbing that some people are so willing to throw away the very core of their being trying to take shortcuts to knowledge when we are born with the ability to find knowledge without doing so.

Quote (Nearin @ Feb 17 2015 12:19am)

How are they throwing away the cores of their being.


We dream from birth is that not also then real?
We are born with the ability to perceive dreams and we are born with dmt in us so how does that argument hold?
dmt is naturally occurring in our bodies and released every night when we sleep.

I dont have a problem with recreational drug use personally though id never try dmt or acid myself.

But you should also recognize that these people are simply choosing to chemically induce a state that could otherwise occur naturally. It is there body and it is self exploration. They are going on a conscious dream using a drug that pre exists in your brain

Quote (Subwoofer @ Feb 17 2015 01:36am)

lead is also naturally occurring but too much destroys your body. naturally occurring is not an excuse to drown your brain in excessive doses of things.

our brain as it normally functions is the core of being human. once you lose your grip on your mind you are little more than malfunctioning hardware.

so if a mentally ill person chose to start hacking off their body parts you'd just go "oh well that's their choice" or would you recognize that they have a problem which makes their choices absurd? obviously you'd think they are being absurd and give no merit to their choices.

it's the same with people that choose to lose their damn minds with strong drugs like dmt...choosing to live the life of a schizophrenic is not something we as a society have to simply accept.

and we aren't talking about recreational drugs as a blanket statement...we are talking about drugs that are so potent they leave the person with symptoms of schizophrenia and unable to grasp reality.

i don't care if they want to simply get high or use a average hallucinogen because those drugs are easily seen as novelties....but drugs so strong that people no longer know real from fake are far too dangerous to leave to personal choice.

Quote (Nearin @ Feb 17 2015 12:57am)

This assumes thats all uses of dmt are huge doses, i know perfectly functional normal people who have done dmt.

You dont just do it and bam your a tinfoil hat man any more than you could say that of mushrooms or salvia


I dont think its comparable to chopping of limbs but its a difference of perspective i doubt we are going to reconcile.

I might agree if scientific studies showed using it had drastically worse effects than acid or mushrooms and people were actually getting schizophrenia left right and center

Quote (Subwoofer @ Feb 17 2015 03:09am)

all doses are huge compared to whats found naturally in your body. i never said it was the same for everyone but it can easily cause psychosis in people. lots of users have lingering effects from having such an intense hallucinogenic experience.

comparing DMT to shrooms or salvia is incredibly pointless. all psychadelics were not created equal and their affects on your mind and body are different.

i'm saying that when we look at other peoples choices it's far easier to accept the choices of people in their right mind compared to people drugged out of their mind.

go to any drug experience forum and you'll see lots of people claiming DMT to show them "truth" or "enlightenment" or any number of other outrageous claims....these people that actually believe this are suffering psychosis because they can't understand it was just a hallucination because the experience was incredibly intense.

once you give merit to the shit your mind is capable of coming up with during a hallucination is the same instant you start to lose your mind.

Quote (Nearin @ Feb 17 2015 09:50am)

I completely disagree and i think you have a very sheltered perception.

But thats okay man i said in my last post we arent going to reconcile our opinions.

You have formulated opinions on dmt based on youtube videos and hallucination forums where only the most extreme user post. This is not an accurate sample.

I know probably 7-10 people who have done dmt, some of them a few times. No aliens other dimensions or attempts to fly off buildings.