It directly violates the second law, read it again. I will repeat what i said above, which clearly shows why evolution and the second law conflict.



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I didn't copy and paste it word for word, i actually have the book on my bookshelf behind me I did type it out and read parts of it. Why wouldn't I? If i agree with it, I'm going to use it. Just how you should, instead of spewing out random blips of "information".....



This post was edited by herbdoc on Nov 5 2014 04:45pm

If you ended up with something different than what you started with, do you still have the same creature? If you keep making tiny changes to a fruit fly over and over, at what point does it stop being a fruit fly? Such a point must exist, and at this point you've turned your "microevolutions" into a "macroevolution".

Macro is referring really to the Big Bang and everything that happens thereafter. It's a "Something from Nothing" (Without explaining where the Nothing was that Exploded outwardly.)

Yes it's still the same fruit fly. Just how african americans are humans.
You've got to be kidding me. Now you are trying to say there is only onetype of evolution? Wow.

Would be nice for you to actually rebuttal instead of just asking open-ended questions. That is a true sign of a weak debater.


Such a typical evolutionist thing to say, such a point MUST exist. As if it's the only answer or end sight for the situation.

I applaud you and await more senseless questions rather-than factual argument. Even if you type out something from a book that you enjoy, at least it would be worthresponding too.

This post was edited by herbdoc on Nov 5 2014 05:12pm

So you just opened the book and typed it out exactly word for word. How is that different from copy/pasting, aside from being more work?


That's great, but what was the point with natural laws not being able to create Mt. Rushmore, or confetti not making an american flag? If natural laws can't make any mountain and confetti can't make any pattern other than the one it randomly made, then what's so special about Mt Rushmore or the flag? Nothing.


Umm... any biology book? Which living process do you want to know about? Humans have a decent understanding of the chemistry involved in most functions of the body.


No, that would be kind of stupid. Why would our creator need to prove our uniqueness to us? And in such an obscure way?


No, that's not what macroevolution means at all. Evolution in general is not at all about how life started, it does not deal with "something from nothing" in the slightest. Evolution assumes that "something" already exists and is only concerned with how that "something" changes.



Very well, allow me to provide an example. Let's say you take a fruit fly and increase its size by 1%. You can easily find fruit flies that are 1% apart in size, so such a small change is certainly just microevolution (assuming the increased size is advantageous somehow). If you do the exact same thing 1000 times, you end up with a fruit fly that's roughly 63 meters long. That's about the width of a football field, give or take. Is that still a fruit fly?

If you can not understand that simple analogy with the second law of thermodynamics, I'm truly typing to an ignorant being who is incapable of responding with a sensible rebuttal. Your arguments are immature and amateur at best.

An evolutionist claiming that macro and micro are the same. WOW

I guess life doesn't really exist does it? We're all just star matter from thousands of light years away?


You astound me with your ignorance sir, do not reproduce, and please please please stay in the motherland.

This post was edited by herbdoc on Nov 5 2014 05:37pm

^^ this

This post was edited by HpkShot on Nov 5 2014 05:45pm

I'll take this as a sign that you are only capable of copy/pasting the book and can't actually explain it or have any original thought.


You already demonstrated that you don't even know what evolution is at all and confuse it with origins of life, when the two concepts are completely separate and have nothing in common.
In reality there's no such thing as "macro" or "micro" evolution, it's all just "evolution". The terms macro and micro are used for our own benefit and apply to categories we made up to group creatures into logical units.


And you, sir, stay in America. We all know how educated your average countryman is

And I'll repeat again, you fundamentally misunderstand the second law of thermodynamics and the concept of entropy. You seem to be applying the anthropocentric concept of "chaos" to the physical concept of "entropy". Entropy is a very specific and definable physical concept, and the organization of biological systems in no way contradicts it.

The second law of thermodynamics absolutely applies to living systems. Luckily, there's no conflict.

If you can point out specifically and mathematically where you think the second law is being broken, I'd appreciate it.

This post was edited by Voyaging on Nov 5 2014 05:53pm

That is the butter to the bread everyone, thank you for proving your ignorance.

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This post was edited by herbdoc on Nov 5 2014 06:08pm